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    That sucking noise you hear is the sound of political victory...

    The American political system has won again and it was sad to watch... even if one knew precisely, exactly and with absolute certainty what was going to happen, months or years before the result, it was still Shakespearean tragedy in the unfolding.

    We're talking about Wisconsin of course, and the fact that the outcome was preordained - written in the proverbial stars - did not prevent an epic poem from being written in the process.

    An independent working-class movement was hijacked, a real struggle was transformed into a routine electoral contest, the fight was completely usurped and "reinterpreted" by the Democratic Party (one of the two most worthless political parties in human history), the battle was shouldered by the exceedingly empty organizations of the philistine "left", and in the end... they "lost".

    Certainly, if they had "won", that would also have been a loss. But, this was more ironic and more theatrical... and it was guaranteed to depress the largest number of working people for the longest period of time.

    In the end, the ambiguity of the result ("well, we won two out of three... errr out of six"), the complete absence of any Democrats of note (not even Bernie or Dennie or any of the other members of the dwindling number of "ies"), and the redoubled efforts to waste countless thousands of additional, future, working-class hours to achieve further meaningless results - those were only icing on the cake.

    The final insult was allowing the "activists" to watch one county in Wisconsin steal the election... on television... for the fourth time in a row... with the fourth wave of indignation demanding that "this time" there would surely be an "investigation"... with more certainty that there won't be... despite the fact that the electoral theft itself was irrelevant. More of a final insult, really...

    The list is just too long: 5600 independent electoral jurisdictions, 50 independent states, Senates, 51 executives, bought off courts at a dozen different levels, two institutionalized political parties which aren't really parties, and an organized scheme of political corruption that exceeds anything similar in political history.

    It may be that there has never been a fair or democratic election in the whole of American history... and yet the swamp demands its tribute, and those to be sacrificed continue to march into it.

    "What else can we do?"

    As I write this, London burns. Despite all of the philistine commentary, the "riots" are an expression of the complete success of the "mother system" to the American morass. Suck the masses into fruitless silliness, break up their class solidarity, prevent every outlet for their grievances... and in the end you still get fight-back but in the most spontaneous and ill-fated way possible - something which emulates the sickness which produces it.

    "Show me what democracy looks like."
    "This is what democracy looks like..."

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    agree. i still don't understand how the wisconsin protests were shut down in exchange for recall elections. why not both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hb View Post
    agree. i still don't understand how the wisconsin protests were shut down in exchange for recall elections. why not both?
    Because protests might actually be effective. Can't waste all of that press and energy, when it could be safely channeled into electing Dems (who would most likely do the same things Walker did, just with panache).

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    Quote Originally Posted by hb View Post
    agree. i still don't understand how the wisconsin protests were shut down in exchange for recall elections. why not both?
    Any working class activity that allows itself to be channeled into "acceptable" political expression is dead on arrival...guaranteed. The "two political parties" belong to the same class, there is no working class political party in this country - there hasn't been for some time...

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    yes, but what actually happened to stop the occupation of the capitol? did someone cut a deal? did the dem ptb come & take over leadership of the protests? i missed that part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hb View Post
    yes, but what actually happened to stop the occupation of the capitol? did someone cut a deal? did the dem ptb come & take over leadership of the protests? i missed that part.
    Let me look, I remember an article on this on socialist worker. I think someone did literally start kicking people out of the Capitol building when the recall was underway.

    http://socialistworker.org/2011/06/2...er-walkerville

    Edit: this link just says that protesters were directed to leave Walkerville.

    "At the beginning of the week, it was uncertain whether the unions would call for demonstrations at all. Responding partly to support for protest put out through Facebook, the state AFL-CIO called a rally the day before the budget went to the legislature, but it did little to mobilize its members. Instead, union leaders urged demonstrators to work on the recall campaigns, and Thursday's rally ended with instructions to pack up Walkerville--the activist tent city set around the Capitol in the hopes that it would be a base camp for ongoing action--and leave."

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    Quote Originally Posted by hb View Post
    yes, but what actually happened to stop the occupation of the capitol? did someone cut a deal? did the dem ptb come & take over leadership of the protests? i missed that part.
    Yes. They started circulating petitions for recall and organizing letter-writing campaigns and the "front" fell apart. Once "everyone" agreed that letters and recalls were the solution to the problem (ideas which came directly from Democratic Party activists), there was no longer any need to "waste time" occupying the capitol building or picketing politicians' offices. The solution was new elections - that always works...right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hb View Post
    yes, but what actually happened to stop the occupation of the capitol? did someone cut a deal? did the dem ptb come & take over leadership of the protests? i missed that part.
    Interesting news tidbit from June:

    http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/...n_Madison.html

    UPDATED Friday, June 17, 2011 --- 9:18 p.m.
    by Tim Elliott
    Walkerville is no more. The tent city located on the capitol square was taken down Friday. But protesters say their fight is far from over.
    Walkerville residents had until 5 pm Friday afternoon to pack up their things and move out. While they didn't achieve their goal of stopping the budget from being passed, they say they helped keep the spotlight on the issue.
    They're packing up and moving on.


    <snip>


    “It's not about how many people we can stand out here, it's about making sure people know what's happening and that's what we accomplished,” said {David} Boetcher.
    They may be moving out, but they're not giving up.
    “Next? On to the recalls!” said Boetcher.
    Boetcher received a permit from the city of Madison to set up Walkerville. After the budget passed Thursday, he decided to cancel the permit in order to focus on those recalls.


    Article on Boetcher from last year: "Boetcher, the Democratic National Committee’s mid-west veteran’s council coordinator..." He's also in IBEW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hb View Post
    yes, but what actually happened to stop the occupation of the capitol? did someone cut a deal? did the dem ptb come & take over leadership of the protests? i missed that part.
    The tractors had to go back to the fields.

    Well, it might have been the start of something when we look back at this historically, but there was a large middle-class effort in those protests. We talked about "parades" at that time - and that is what it looked like. Compare the tractors parading to the fires of London. And as others have said that was an easy target for activists - they moved in and changed the focus to the recall activity.

    Anax talks about the depression, and I fear that it will keep Walker in power. People will think they are out-numbered based on yesterday's results and not even bother to show up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starry messenger View Post
    Let me look, I remember an article on this on socialist worker. I think someone did literally start kicking people out of the Capitol building when the recall was underway.

    http://socialistworker.org/2011/06/2...er-walkerville

    Edit: this link just says that protesters were directed to leave Walkerville.

    "At the beginning of the week, it was uncertain whether the unions would call for demonstrations at all. Responding partly to support for protest put out through Facebook, the state AFL-CIO called a rally the day before the budget went to the legislature, but it did little to mobilize its members. Instead, union leaders urged demonstrators to work on the recall campaigns, and Thursday's rally ended with instructions to pack up Walkerville--the activist tent city set around the Capitol in the hopes that it would be a base camp for ongoing action--and leave."

    oh, god, the unions again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hb View Post
    oh, god, the unions again.
    Tell me about it. In mine we consider passing out leaflets to be radical. The one time I suggested we think about taxing the rich, the art teacher looked at me like I was firing off armpit farts. At least in WI they actually camped out for awhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starry messenger View Post
    Tell me about it. In mine we consider passing out leaflets to be radical. The one time I suggested we think about taxing the rich, the art teacher looked at me like I was firing off armpit farts. At least in WI they actually camped out for awhile.
    I'm pro union, but they are seriously bought off at the top.

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    Here are the reasons for the debacle...



    1. The Koch brothers

    2. The train was always uphill

    3. The stock market crash

    4. Osmosis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Americas View Post
    Here are the reasons for the debacle...



    1. The Koch brothers

    2. The train was always uphill

    3. The stock market crash

    4. Osmosis
    LOL I've heard soccer coaches console 6 yr olds with more gusto after a loss.

    Useful video though, I didn't realize Koch is pronounced "Coke." I've been reading it as....well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Americas View Post
    Here are the reasons for the debacle...

    2. The train was always uphill

    4. Osmosis
    Osmosis. It'll get you every time.

    That train is more like a rock:



    Then after another few years of turning "red to blue", then will the problem be that those Dems are Blue Dogs? Then more years of wrangling to "get more Progressive Dems"? In a few hundred years when every seat in the country is filled with a clone of Bernie Sanders, then what will the next excuse be for why things never seem to change? Liberals only seem to fight for worker's rights when there are Republicans threatening them. Maybe its better these elections "failed".

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    Quote Originally Posted by runs with scissors View Post
    I've heard soccer coaches... I didn't realize Koch is pronounced "Coke." I've been reading it as....well
    You have been reading it as "coach?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Americas View Post
    You have been reading it as "coach?"
    On a related note, I'm still not entirely convinced it isn't Boner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starry messenger View Post
    Osmosis. It'll get you every time.

    That train is more like a rock:



    Then after another few years of turning "red to blue", then will the problem be that those Dems are Blue Dogs? Then more years of wrangling to "get more Progressive Dems"? In a few hundred years when every seat in the country is filled with a clone of Bernie Sanders, then what will the next excuse be for why things never seem to change? Liberals only seem to fight for worker's rights when there are Republicans threatening them. Maybe its better these elections "failed".
    They're trying to stand on the thinnest slice of ground...that imaginary "middle" between the Commies on the left and the Teabaggers on the right.

    At least the Teabaggers know which side they're on. Proud right-wing assholes.

    The liberals have "good intentions" and they "feel bad", but when push comes to shove, they're on the side of Uncle Sam, not Uncle Joe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Americas View Post
    You have been reading it as "coach?"
    hehe
    More like the loch ness monster

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kid of the Black Hole View Post
    On a related note, I'm still not entirely convinced it isn't Boner.
    I would almost bet money that it is supposed to be "Boner"...

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