Bloody revolution is So Necessary and So right and can't come fast enough .It is truly astounding what passes for polite discourse. Off with their fucking heads.
Just fucking look at this
Bloody revolution is So Necessary and So right and can't come fast enough .It is truly astounding what passes for polite discourse. Off with their fucking heads.
Just fucking look at this
Good god. Is this fucking real? What a piece of unmitigated shit - and that is being severely unfair to shit.
Hell yes! Violence now...
Well, not now.Originally Posted by Dhalgren
But it is surely a forgone conclusion given this sort of thing.
Tick Tock MFers...
"Private property, rule of law" - the elite mantra. Just a university tool expressing what they all think.
That is so 19th century, like the mill owners that Marx wrote so much of. Capitalism ain't changed one whit, necessarily neither do we, this is a death match.
That wretch ought be sodomized by a bull elephant.
yes, those people must suffer, but not like the old days...not so long!
it's the only life they have, but....
yes, we can make the leap from sweatshops (suffering), to boom (hope), to decline (fear)....even quicker than before!
Listening to npr this morning the host was 'very concerned' that Syrians were taking up arms against their government and it was clear that what disturbed her was that people should take up violence against their government, a distortion of the natural order where violence is the sole preserve of the State, and thus of course the ruling class.
Unless it is in the interest of the US, of course.
I found this interesting map showing which country in the world has the most billionaires (guess who) ... http://www.aneki.com/countries2.php?...onaires&map=on
My theory is that the more billionaires you have in a country, the more violent that country will be in order to protect their "interests".
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"The workers choose to work there". "Choose"! Choice! Capitalism is about free will and choices afterall, right? So the workers exercising their free will, choose to work in the sweatshops instead of selling their bodies or their children. So, since it is their choice and nobody forced them to work as if they were animals (so this isnt an obvious violation of human rights but just an unfortunate career choice and we are done with this argument) we have established that this is an act of free will and suddendly, we see the sweatshops not as the modern labour camps but a legitimate working environment, well, with bad working condition but still part of the legitimate chain of production.
Afterall, if you are against the sweatshops you are supporting prostitution according to the intellectual giant Powell. This is ofcourse an unsupported conclusion = Logical fallacy. His argumentation isnt concise.
He looks like a jerk and he talks like a jerk.
You forgot 'economic freedom'. he slipped that one in right at the end.
What a shitbag.
eta: Oh, and the sweet background music at the end was great too, LOL.
It's got legs...
http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=439x1246735
OMG. I just came back from this thread: http://www.thebellforum.com/showthre...40&pagenumber=
This is too much.
Seriously, I live for the day I see scum like that hanging from high branches. Central America is crawling with these criminals.
Yeah, the people are fucking delighted.
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Trees. Plant plenty of trees.
“You can't have capitalism without racism. And if you find a person without racism and you happen to get that person into a conversation and they have a philosophy that makes you sure they don't have this racism in their outlook, usually they're socialists.”
It is impossible for capitalism to survive, primarily because the system of capitalism needs some blood to suck (....) cowardly, like the vulture, and it can only suck the blood of the helpless. As the nations of the world free themselves, capitalism has less victims, less to suck, and it becomes weaker and weaker. It's only a matter of time in my opinion before it will collapse completely….
- Malcolm X[/I]
Last edited by Tinoire; 06-07-2011 at 01:06 PM.
Two Things.
Firstly, I don't want to be labeled prejudice, but somehow you can see something in the people like this that shows they are a political, economic, or religious nutjob. I don't know what it is, something with the way they smile, how they talk, and especially their hair. There is just something there.
Secondly, I notice how he wrapped up with the three most important things being "private property, the rule of law, and economic freedom (free market)."
"What is that sound coming from beneath my window?"
Beautiful scene, beautiful music.
That I should live to witness that...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/15/us/15cncwarren.htmlWell-Known Judge Stuns in Ruling on Child Labor
By JAMES WARREN
Published: July 14, 2011
Richard A. Posner, America’s most provocative and most-cited judge, has argued against privacy rights, cast doubt on animal rights and backed the occasional use of torture.
Now Chicago’s intellectually fearless, premier multitasking jurist/academic/author raises doubts about human rights, or at least suggests a potential sliding scale when it comes to assessing child labor.
His words came in a federal appeals court decision he wrote and released Monday involving how Firestone Natural Rubber Company treated child laborers in Liberia. When combined with his questions during oral arguments June 2 in the case, his decision again shows a brilliant, if at times confounding, mind at work, both on whether corporations can be sued for human rights abuses and what constitutes exploitation of children.
On June 2, Judge Posner questioned Brian Murray, the Chicago lawyer for Firestone, as Mr. Murray defended against a class action brought on behalf of children who worked at Firestone’s Liberian plantation.
Under international law, could we have sued the company that made the gas for the Nazi death chambers? Mr. Posner asked. Mr. Murray said no.
Well, suppose Firestone went to the government of Liberia, where it has operated the world’s largest contiguous rubber plantation since 1926, and asked it to enslave citizens and sell them back at a cut rate. Could the company be sued?
Mr. Murray paused. “Answer my question!” snapped the judge. After the lawyer again said no, Mr. Posner responded, “Well, you just lost me.”
The plaintiffs argued that Firestone engaged in decades of exploitation in which adults put their children to work for no money to meet stiff production quotas. As for the 23 plaintiffs, most were up at 4 a.m., walking an hour to work where they helped shave bark from trees, collect dripping latex in cups and use machetes to clean brush.
Amid international concern, Daniel J. Adomitis, the president of Firestone, told CNN in 2005 that each so-called tapper “will tap about 650 trees a day” and spend a couple of minutes on each. Using his math, that’s more than 21 hours of work.
I couldn’t corroborate those hours in the court record. But children as young as 6 were exposed to potentially toxic chemicals and worked without safety equipment. In late 2005, after the suit was filed, Firestone announced child labor curbs.
A prime legal question involved whether the Alien Tort Statute of 1789 allows suing a company. And did the children’s treatment violate “customary international law”?
There was no doubt among the three conservative judges on the federal appeals court — Judge Posner, 72, William J. Bauer, 84, and Daniel Manion, 69. They obliterated Firestone’s argument that it could not be sued.
Treatment of the children was another matter. The judges were bothered that the “only” evidence was about the 23 children. The plantation employs 6,500 adults, so how systemic is the alleged exploitation and what’s exploitation?
The plaintiffs made a decent case for a systemic problem. But Judge Posner, the most influential jurist outside the Supreme Court, wrote the following after noting how the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child speaks of a right not to perform work likely to be hazardous, interfere with his education or harm his health, mental, social or moral development: “Millions of middle-class American children are working part-time after school at jobs that confer no intellectual or characterological benefits merely to obtain pin money for buying video games also barren of intellectual or other benefits, the jobs and the games actually functioning to diminish the children educationally, mentally, physically, and spiritually.”
“Shall their parents, and their employers, be hauled before an international tribunal to answer charges of child abuse?”
He conceded that harvesting rubber can be hazardous but felt that agriculture has “the most potential for decent work for rural children.” He admitted ignorance as to whether Firestone has enforced rules on child labor and to the conditions of Liberian children generally, calling that his biggest objection to the law suit. He wrote that it was conceivable that child helpers “are, on balance, better off than the average Liberian child.”
The panel affirmed a lower-court ruling ditching the case in Firestone’s favor, despite not buying crucial arguments. I could understand why the plaintiffs lawyers, Paul Hoffman and Terrence Collingsworth were stunned.
“We won the war but lost the battle,” Mr. Collingsworth said.
“Being able to sue corporations is a huge matter,” he said. “But it’s incredible that we’ve now introduced the notion of relative human rights.”
Bumping this up for visibility - that ruling by Posner is stunning. "the most potential for decent work for rural children"? I wonder if HIS children (hypothetically) would be good candidates for such work?
Even in this country rural kids are subject to often dangerous work on family farms from young ages, and jobs such as tree shirring (where I grew up it was christmas trees - kids 12 and up would work in the summer - hard work trimming as many as possible with machetes and they worked long hours). My mother still talks about the summer my brother did it for awhile - he'd come home covered with tree sap and ticks. Is this ok in the name of profit?
In fact I'd like to see Posner himself on a tree farm trying to do that work for just one day. Bet he'd last about 5 minutes tops.
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