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    Protests in Greece

    Rioters attack credit firm, Christmas tree in Athens

    By DEMETRIS NELLAS Associated Press
    Dec. 20, 2008, 12:29PM

    ATHENS, Greece — Masked rioters set fire Saturday evening to the offices of a credit data company in Athens, continuing protests that have raged across Greece for two weeks.

    Earlier Saturday, protesters attacked a city-sponsored Christmas tree in central Athens, tossing garbage and hanging trash bags from its branches before clashing with riot police.

    Police were bracing for more violence later Saturday, with a gathering set for 9 p.m. local time (1900 GMT) at the site where 15-year-old Alexandros Grigoropoulos was shot and killed by a police officer Dec. 6.

    A group of masked men broke into the building housing the offices of Tiresias SA, a company that keeps records of delinquent debtors and cardholders, and firebombed the company’s offices. The fire was extinguished but the company’s offices were destroyed, witnesses said.

    In the northern city of Thessaloniki, a small group of self-styled anarchists occupied a movie theater in the city’s main square and threw cakes and candy at Mayor Vassilis Papageorgopoulos and one of his deputies. The mayor was attending a Christmas-related event distributing the sweets to children with sickle-cell anemia when the rioters seized the stand and threw its contents at the city officials.

    The Christmas tree protest had been advertised as part of a day of events in Greece and around the world exactly two weeks since Grigoropoulos’ shooting.

    Police said about 1,000 people turned out for a demonstration in Hamburg, Germany. Bottles and an iron rod were thrown and police reported two arrests but no injuries.

    In Athens, the crowd of about 150 people clashed with dozens of police shortly after 4 p.m. after throwing garbage at the tree in the central Syntagma Square. Riot police used pepper spray on the protesters and later charged them and cleared the square. At least three news photographers were injured by police wielding batons. The tree survived the attack.

    The square’s first Christmas tree was burned to the ground on Dec. 8, the worst day of rioting in Athens’ center.

    Government officials and police have been hoping that, as Christmas draws near, protest fatigue would set in. An early afternoon “anti-racist rally” in front of the main Athens University building in the city center was attended by only about 30 protesters, according to witnesses.

    AP photographer Lefteris Pitarakis, in Athens, and writer Costas Kantouris, in Thessaloniki, contributed to this report.

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    This is starting to become serious.

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    Translation from Greek

    Sunday, December 21
    Israel supplying chemical weapons to supress the Greek uprising


    A recent article in the mainstream Greek paper Ta Nea discusses plans to arm the Greek police with heavier weapons for repression in response to the current uprising. These include high-pressure water canons, plastic bullets, and other so-called "non-lethal" weapons familiar in the US and in Europe.

    In addition to the wish list that has been proposed by the police to the Minister of the Interior, the article also mentions new weapons which are already being supplied--chemicals from Israel:

    "What the police will get immediately is more tear gas. The constant firing of chemicals has emptied the supplies of the Greek Police and already the new "acquisitions" from Israel have made their appearance. These are characterized by the demonstrators as 'especially harsh in comparison with those which have been used by our own police.'..."

    http://www.tanea.gr/default.asp?pid=2&c ... Id=4493178

    This is in line with reports from demonstrators during the most recent street battles in Athens that the riot police have been using a new kind of tear gas which they described as "asphyxiating".

    It isn't clear at this point what the exact content of the new chemical "crowd control" weapons may be, but people familiar with Zionist repression against the second Intifada may recall the use in 2002 of new chemical agents causing suffocation and prolonged seizures (as documented in James Longley's film Gaza Strip).

    Since at least the 1970s, Israel has come to rival even the US as a supplier of repressive technology and expertise globally.
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    From deep in the heart of banality, dancing around the elephant.

    Which isn't that surprising: After all, we are heading for a global recession, the causes of which may lie far away from Athens—or Paris or Cincinnati—and the solutions to which may not lie in the hands of local Greek, French, or Ohio politicians. Nobody much admires powerless leaders, and nobody much sees the point in voting for people who can't do anything, anyway.

    Hence the riots in Athens and, maybe, elsewhere soon: If you aren't sure why you are unemployed, if you don't have the political vocabulary to explain what's wrong with your country's economy, and if you don't have leaders who seem able to fix it, then perhaps random violence seems a plausible response.

    http://www.slate.com/id/2207290/
    So, it seems that what is required is someone to do the explaining.....
    Social relationships have their inherent logic; as long as people live in given mutual relationships they will feel, think and act in a given way, and no other. Attempts on the part of public men to combat this logic also would be fruitless; the natural course of things (this logic of social relationships) would reduce all his effort to nought. But if I know in what direction social relations are changing owing to given changes in the social-economic process of production, I also know in what direction social mentality is changing; consequently, I am able to influence it. Influencing social mentality means influencing historical events. Hence, in a certain sense, I can make history, and there is no need for me to wait while "it is being made."

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    Quote Originally Posted by blindpig
    From deep in the heart of banality, dancing around the elephant.

    Which isn't that surprising: After all, we are heading for a global recession, the causes of which may lie far away from Athens—or Paris or Cincinnati—and the solutions to which may not lie in the hands of local Greek, French, or Ohio politicians. Nobody much admires powerless leaders, and nobody much sees the point in voting for people who can't do anything, anyway.

    Hence the riots in Athens and, maybe, elsewhere soon: If you aren't sure why you are unemployed, if you don't have the political vocabulary to explain what's wrong with your country's economy, and if you don't have leaders who seem able to fix it, then perhaps random violence seems a plausible response.

    http://www.slate.com/id/2207290/
    So, it seems that what is required is someone to do the explaining.....
    I love the "random violence" line. Ain't no such thing as "random violence". It is always directed violence, and the violence part of it is always overstated. Interestingly, this revulsion for "the mob" is fairly recent in America. There are a number of scientific papers which try to trace it, objectively, to Watts, Newark, Detroit, etc. One of the "shocking" things about those was that "riots" elicited a broad sympathy in the American population - NOT the desired response. It took many years of "work" to turn that around.

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    Wapo opinion

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...201849_pf.html

    Venting in Athens

    By Anne Applebaum
    Tuesday, December 23, 2008; A17

    Fires burned in courtyards, shops were looted and Molotov cocktails whistled through clouds of tear gas. Hundreds of schools and campuses were occupied by students and, for more than two weeks, riots brought a major European capital to a halt. The police seemed powerless, the politicians helpless, the media confused.

    No, I am not talking about Budapest in 1956 or Paris in 1968. I am talking about Athens over the past two weeks. Since Dec. 6, when Greek police shot and killed a 15-year-old boy, Athens, Thessaloniki and other Greek cities have been consumed by apparently unstoppable, violent demonstrations. Unlike the French riots of 2005, which were mostly led by disaffected immigrants, the participants in these Greek riots appear to be middle-class university students. They weren't smashing up shops in impoverished suburbs, either: These self-styled anarchists are based in a "bohemian" neighborhood of central Athens called Exarchia, and at a nearby university campus whose unused buildings cannot, according to a rather extraordinary Greek law, be entered by the police. So far, the rioters have done some $1.3 billion worth of damage.

    Not, I'm guessing, that you've read all that much about the riots: Certainly their relative absence from European and North American front pages proves that, the rhetoric of European unity aside, not all European countries are taken equally seriously. Though Greece is a member of the European Union, its major contribution to European foreign policy is its stubborn insistence (for reasons truly too complex to explore here) on blocking international recognition of the Republic of Macedonia, unless it changes its name to FYROM -- the "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" -- an acronym that everybody else finds laughable. On the domestic front, the Greeks are best known for having faked the economic data they needed to join the euro currency.

    There may also be other, more local explanations as to why these riots feel as if they are taking place far away from mainstream events. One Greek political scientist, Stathis Kalyvas, argues brilliantly that they are facilitated by Greece's unique political culture: In the years since the overthrow of military rule, the Greek political class has come to treat civil disobedience, even violent and destructive civil disobedience, as "almost always justified, if not glorified." Rioting is a "fun and low-risk activity, almost a rite of passage"; the anarchist subculture that thrives in central Athens is "abetted, and in some instances endorsed" by Greece's left-wing parties and mainstream newspapers.

    And yet -- even if Greece is unserious, even if anarchist subculture has uniquely deep roots in Athens, even if Greek corruption and youth unemployment are unusually high -- it's a mistake to dismiss these riots as peripheral. If nothing else, they show what can happen to a highly developed, post-ideological society whose organized politics no longer interest large groups of people. One sympathizer says the rioters can be divided into three groups: communists, anarchists and "younger people who like to think that they are anarchists but they don't know what they stand for. They are the ones who have been looting. . . . They feel the only way to make themselves heard is to do these things."

    Another describes the anarchist world of Exarchia, approvingly, as "a parallel society with parallel values and parallel ideas." Yet another told a reporter that the tiny shops near the university deserved to be looted because they represent "the corporate machine." The thinking here isn't exactly sophisticated: This is a revolution, among other things, being conducted to the strains of Pink Floyd ("We don't need no education, we don't need no thought control").

    Some are also blaming the weakness of Greece's mainstream social democrats, who, like social democrats elsewhere in Europe, have lately lost ground to the further left and are having trouble attracting young people. But I'm guessing the problem runs even deeper: The fact is that political parties in general are weak, everywhere, and democracy is therefore weak, too.

    Which isn't that surprising: After all, we are heading for a global recession, the causes of which may lie far away from Athens -- or Paris or Cincinnati -- and the solutions to which may not lie in the hands of Greek, French or Ohio politicians. Nobody much admires powerless leaders, and nobody much sees the point in voting for people who can't do anything, anyway.

    Hence the riots in Athens, and maybe elsewhere soon: If you aren't sure why you are unemployed, you don't have the political vocabulary to explain what's wrong with your country's economy, and you don't have leaders who seem able to fix it, perhaps random violence seems a plausible response.
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