true agenda revealed

[Two Americas]

There is no way to eliminate "illegal aliens" that doesn't ultimately force all of us to prove that we are not "aliens" and are not "illegal" to any agent of the state at any time. One's status as "alien" or "illegal" will then be at the discretion of law enforcement and other state agencies. I predicted months ago that the true agenda behind the immigration round ups was to eliminate our rights, not to catch "illegals."

We are all about to become "illegal aliens" subject to Homeland Security granting permission to us to be American citizens.

There is no possible way to find out who does not belong here without forcing everyone to prove that they do. Proof that you belong here will be at the discretion of Homeland Security.

ACLU press release on this today:

ACLU Raises Concerns on Senate Immigration Bill; Proposed Legislation Would Harm Privacy, Due Process
(5/25/2007)

WASHINGTON - The American Civil Liberties Union today expressed grave concerns about the due process and privacy implications of the Senate immigration bill. The proposed legislation would create a vast federal database to verify the work eligibility of all job applicants in America - including U.S. citizens; expand indefinite detention; and deny effective judicial review of Department of Homeland Security errors denying immigration status.

"The bill denies essential due process, seeks to overturn Supreme Court limits on detention and fails to guarantee meaningful judicial review," said Caroline Fredrickson, director of the ACLU’s Washington Legislative Office. "Substantial changes must be made to ensure that the legislation adheres to the values of our country and our Constitution. Without effective judicial oversight, any new program enacted by Congress can be gutted by an overburdened, incompetent or hostile bureaucracy."

The proposed legislation would require every job applicant in America to have their eligibility to work verified by the DHS, using the error-plagued Employment Eligibility Verification System (EEVS). EEVS creates a massive government database containing extraordinary amounts of personal information on everyone in America, tied to each individual’s Social Security number. If DHS makes a mistake in determining work eligibility, there will be virtually no way to challenge the error or recover lost wages due to the bill’s prohibitions on judicial review.

As a part of EEVS, every person in America would be forced to carry a hardened Social Security card perhaps containing biometric information about the cardholder - essentially a national ID - and present a Real ID-compliant driver’s license to get any new job. The proposed legislation also expands current practice of expedited removal. The ACLU noted that these policies do nothing to solve the problems of illegal immigration and violate the fundamental American value of due process.

"EEVS would be a financial and bureaucratic nightmare for both businesses and workers," said Timothy Sparapani, ACLU Legislative Counsel. "Under this already flawed program no one would be able to work in the U.S. without DHS approval - creating a ‘No Work List’ similar to the government’s ‘No Fly List.’ We need immigration reform, but not at this cost."

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[Two Americas]

A vast number of people will soon face the necessity of going underground and having their very existence criminalized, and criminalized in such a way that they will be deprived of Constitutional protections of any kind. Millions already are out of compliance one way or another - this is a little secret no one talks about. "They should have played by the rules" and "they made bad choices" people will say, and that snitch culture and hostility that is now permeating our culture - worse among liberals than conservatives by the way - keeps people silent and separated.

The creeping fascism we are experiencing is well thought out and incremental. If they over-reached, the public would rebel, and a network of mutual aid, defense and assistance would develop, as we had in the 60's. That is something I have been calling for, going back 7 or 8 years. Not only do people not see the need, they don't seem to understand what I am talking about. So many good little boys and girls. The ruling class is counting on that.

Even now, I don't have confidence in my ability to communicate the extent of the threat and the depth of the emergency to people.

The government is already disappearing people, and it is going on without the public becoming alarmed. It goes mostly unreported. The victims are asigned labels - illegals, aliens, terrorists, drug dealers, gang members, identity thieves, pornographers - and people will disassociate from the victims and presume them all to be guilty.

Massive detention camps are being built. Federal para-military agencies are being given larger and larger budgets, and more and more extra-Constitutional powers. The use of mercenary military forces is growing, operating outside of the law or the UCMJ, and they have already been deployed domestically. More and more circumventions of judicial review are being enacted. The range of people liable to suddenly become suspect of felonies - through no act of theirs, but because of their "status" as determined by a rogue Gestapo like agency - is growing, and will very soon include all citizens.

[Two Americas]

On edit - what I was trying to say above is that if they make enough of us outlaws and it happens quickly enough and people are aware of that, then there can be safety in numbers. As it is, with this creeping police state bullshit, when you are singled out you are on your own, and there is no possibility of building up networks of safe houses, shared resources, etc.

We are all already outlaws potentially, and the noose is tightening every day. It will never go backwards - it will grow. It cannot have a happy outcome - this never does. The longer it takes people to respond, the harder it will be and the more dangerous as well.

I am now talking to many people who went from "it can't be happening" to being afraid to speak about it, and that happened very quickly. Just yesterday a scoffer I know - pleasant and decent apolitical working class gal - suddenly hit "my God, this is real," is very frightened and has determined that she is willing to go to jail or do whatever it takes.

I am dead certain that this is real. What do I mean by "real?" I mean very unpleasant inescapable shit happening, and happening very soon. I can't see any way out short of unimaginable hardship and persecution, and/or massive social unrest and upheaval that will make the 50's look very tame indeed.

But one is still called paranoid by most people if you try to sound the alarm. If people become afraid to sound the alarm once they do see it - and people are already - then we are on a downhill slope.

[Two Americas]

Amazing!

I wondered what the reaction to this would be around the blogosphere. I just get a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach to see how little reaction and outrage there is.

I also wondered how long it would take before some liberal posted in support of this. It took about 10 minutes -

"To stop illegal EMPLOYERS. You bitch because the government doesn't go after business that hires the illegals, and then you bitch because a system is put in place to force them into compliance."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... 389x978851

As I feared, the "illegal alien" insanity led liberals to advocate locking up "illegal employers" as the alternative to the right wing program and are now willing to throw millions of presumed "losers" off the lifeboat in the mad pursuit of that goal - catching bad guys (providing they can assume that they are Republicans, like business owners and gun owners and farmers).

[chlamor]

No jobs for US citizens without Homeland Security approval
Submitted by Canada IFP on Sat, 2007-05-26 18:00.Americas | United States | News

US citizens who apply for a job will need prior approval from Department of Homeland Security under the terms immigration bill passed by the Senate this week.

American Civil Liberties Union pointed out that the DHS's Employment Eligibility Verification System (EEVS) is error plagued and if the department makes a mistake in determining work eligibility, there will be virtually no way to challenge the error or recover lost wages due to the bill’s prohibitions on judicial review.

Even current employees will need to obtain eligibility approval from the DHS Within 60 days of the Immigration Reform Act of 2006 becoming law.

"EEVS would be a financial and bureaucratic nightmare for both businesses and workers," said Timothy Sparapani, ACLU Legislative Counsel. "Under this already flawed program no one would be able to work in the U.S. without DHS approval - creating a ‘No Work List’ similar to the government’s ‘No Fly List.’ We need immigration reform, but not at this cost."

The act allocates US$400 million for the implementation of the EEVS, but the Congressional Budgeting Office estimates the system to cost in excess of a billion dollars.

http://pressesc.com/01180202266_eevs

Fascism all 'round sleepy dreamers.

[chlamor]

Not on the test:

FROM WOUNDED KNEE TO IRAQ:

A CENTURY OF U.S. MILITARY INTERVENTIONS

by Dr. Zoltan Grossman

The following is a partial list of U.S. military interventions from 1890 to 2007.

Below the list is a Briefing on the History of U.S. Military Interventions.

The list and briefing are also available as a powerpoint presentation.

This guide does not include:

* mobilizations of the National Guard
* offshore shows of naval strength
* reinforcements of embassy personnel
* the use of non-Defense Department personnel (such as the Drug Enforcement Administration)
* military exercises
* non-combat mobilizations (such as replacing postal strikers)
* the permanent stationing of armed forces
* covert actions where the U.S. did not play a command and control role
* the use of small hostage rescue units
* most uses of proxy troops
* U.S. piloting of foreign warplanes
* foreign or domestic disaster assistance
* military training and advisory programs not involving direct combat
* civic action programs
* and many other military activities.

Among sources used, beside news reports, are the Congressional Record (23 June 1969), 180 Landings by the U.S. Marine Corp History Division, Ege & Makhijani in Counterspy (July-Aug, 1982), "Instances of Use of United States Forces Abroad, 1798-1993" by Ellen C. Collier of the Library of Congress Congressional Research Service, and Ellsberg in Protest & Survive.

<snip>

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossma ... tions.html

[Kid of the Black Hole]

There is no way to eliminate "illegal aliens" that doesn't ultimately force all of us to prove that we are not "aliens" and are not "illegal" to any agent of the state at any time. One's status as "alien" or "illegal" will then be at the discretion of law enforcement and other state agencies. I predicted months ago that the true agenda behind the immigration round ups was to eliminate our rights, not to catch "illegals."

We are all about to become "illegal aliens" subject to Homeland Security granting permission to us to be American citizens.

There is no possible way to find out who does not belong here without forcing everyone to prove that they do. Proof that you belong here will be at the discretion of Homeland Security.

ACLU press release on this today:

ACLU Raises Concerns on Senate Immigration Bill; Proposed Legislation Would Harm Privacy, Due Process
(5/25/2007)

WASHINGTON - The American Civil Liberties Union today expressed grave concerns about the due process and privacy implications of the Senate immigration bill. The proposed legislation would create a vast federal database to verify the work eligibility of all job applicants in America - including U.S. citizens; expand indefinite detention; and deny effective judicial review of Department of Homeland Security errors denying immigration status.

"The bill denies essential due process, seeks to overturn Supreme Court limits on detention and fails to guarantee meaningful judicial review," said Caroline Fredrickson, director of the ACLU’s Washington Legislative Office. "Substantial changes must be made to ensure that the legislation adheres to the values of our country and our Constitution. Without effective judicial oversight, any new program enacted by Congress can be gutted by an overburdened, incompetent or hostile bureaucracy."

The proposed legislation would require every job applicant in America to have their eligibility to work verified by the DHS, using the error-plagued Employment Eligibility Verification System (EEVS). EEVS creates a massive government database containing extraordinary amounts of personal information on everyone in America, tied to each individual’s Social Security number. If DHS makes a mistake in determining work eligibility, there will be virtually no way to challenge the error or recover lost wages due to the bill’s prohibitions on judicial review.

As a part of EEVS, every person in America would be forced to carry a hardened Social Security card perhaps containing biometric information about the cardholder - essentially a national ID - and present a Real ID-compliant driver’s license to get any new job. The proposed legislation also expands current practice of expedited removal. The ACLU noted that these policies do nothing to solve the problems of illegal immigration and violate the fundamental American value of due process.

"EEVS would be a financial and bureaucratic nightmare for both businesses and workers," said Timothy Sparapani, ACLU Legislative Counsel. "Under this already flawed program no one would be able to work in the U.S. without DHS approval - creating a ‘No Work List’ similar to the government’s ‘No Fly List.’ We need immigration reform, but not at this cost."

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I read about this a few days ago and I couldn't fucking believe it. Not that they wouldn't cook up something like but where the fuck are the "watch dogs" sounding the alarm?? Huh? Every time you turn around they throw more turd legislation into the pot and everytime the people who are supposedly monitoring that type stuff are caught scratching their balls.

This one though is unbelievable. I personally don't think its going to sell bc there are too many religious people who consciously or subconsciously associate bimoetrics and real IDs with the Mark of the Beast. We're only a few years away from skin implants, 100% guaranteed.

How did this shit just "pop up" overnight is what I wanna know. These motherfuckers need to burn, not just for this shit either.

Every thing you said is true Mike. And the god damn suburbanites just keep whistling out their assholes. Its every man for himself - I wonder if any of us really know how deeply people BELIEVE the lie that those who fall down and get left behind just couldn't hack it or they had some tragic flaw or hey "that's the breaks". Its brough about by bitter "class" divides - how much do people hate the sumbitch down the block with the fancy new SUV or the $1000 flatscreen? Enough to say "fuck him" when he goes under. Justified by "hey he's just chasing the dollar, his greed got the best of him" or "that's what you get for living beyond your means dumbass". Then they sob themselves to sleep wondering if/how they'll make it til their income tax return hits.

I've seen some shit lately that is so unfathomably petty I can't even put it into words. Completely remorseless, completely pitiless - people "do what they gotta do" and say screw the next guy. Where's your camaraderie and fellowship and mutual support amongst the working class Mike..I'm not seeing it right now.

[PPLE]

These motherfuckers need to burn, not just for this shit either.

Every thing you said is true Mike. And the god damn suburbanites just keep whistling out their assholes. Its every man for himself - I wonder if any of us really know how deeply people BELIEVE the lie that those who fall down and get left behind just couldn't hack it or they had some tragic flaw or hey "that's the breaks". Its brough about by bitter "class" divides - how much do people hate the sumbitch down the block with the fancy new SUV or the $1000 flatscreen? Enough to say "fuck him" when he goes under. Justified by "hey he's just chasing the dollar, his greed got the best of him" or "that's what you get for living beyond your means dumbass". Then they sob themselves to sleep wondering if/how they'll make it til their income tax return hits.

I've seen some shit lately that is so unfathomably petty I can't even put it into words. Completely remorseless, completely pitiless - people "do what they gotta do" and say screw the next guy. Where's your camaraderie and fellowship and mutual support amongst the working class Mike..I'm not seeing it right now.

There is almost none if one is even remotely still well off. I have a coworker who drinks those ridiculous $3 Monster energy drinks like they are going outta style. Friday was a rare day when I drove my car to work, so I was rounding up the cans and papers I pile up for recycling, the big bulk of the latter being in a box in this guy's office. I walked by with a big trash bag full of the cans, and my boss asked what the deal was. "Cans," I said. My amusing little earthy greeny granola ways are as well known and obvious around the office as the bosses Korean heritage. But, knowing she didn't quite get it even if she too hauls home the plastic water bottles we pile up by the hundreds because we now bring in bottled water to avoid chemicals she read up on that supposedly leach from the big 5 gal plastic jugs that go on a cooler, I stepped back to clarify. "There are poor people in my neighborhood who come around at dawn going through recycling, trash cans, dumpsters and vacant lots looking for aluminum cans. At $ .70 a pound, they can be an income supplement." Not exactly a big revelation, this was received pretty benignly even if utterly foreign in her suburban neighborhood of media rooms and lawns manicured by people better off than the can collectors here in the 'hood. No, the faux pas was in suggesting that the immigrants around here collecting cans, largely Asian, are the kind of people who raise kids like her. That got an immediate bristle.

'nuff said.

Amazing what just one generation here in Rome can do the mind of a man...

Really, it fills me with hope. And the desire to kill some folks.

[Two Americas]

This one though is unbelievable. I personally don't think its going to sell bc there are too many religious people who consciously or subconsciously associate bimoetrics and real IDs with the Mark of the Beast. We're only a few years away from skin implants, 100% guaranteed.

Timing is everything - the pacing and sequencing. I think anything will sell if the timing is right. The timing and pacing seems to me to be exquisitely managed. If they went too slowly, their cohorts, sycophants and henchmen would lose interest. If they went too quickly there is the risk that 10-20% of the people would catch on at the same time and make trouble. Pacing and timing and sequencing are largely ignored by people in political discussions. They say "well in 2008 we will be rid of those Republicans" and think that there is some "neutral" gear we can be in until then. But the cabal - whoever they are, and amazingly we don't even know that very well - keep going full speed with their agenda.

That is why I keep talking about urgency, and also about rabble rousing rather than pushing platforms and ideologies.

Adams on rabble rousing:

It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.

A true patriot would keep the attention of his fellow citizens awake to their grievances, and not allow them to rest till the causes of their just complaints are removed. Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail to a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way.

We are obliged at this time to struggle, with all the Powers with which the Constitution hath furnished us, in Defence of our Rights; to prevent the most valuable of our Liberties from being wrested from us, by the subtle Machinations, and daring Encroachments of wicked Ministers.

"Oppression stalk'd at large and pour'd abroad
Her unrelenting Train; Informers - Spies -
Hateful Projectors of aggrieving Schemes
To sell the starving many to the few,
And drain a thousand Ways th' exhausted Land...
And on the venal Bench
Instead of Justice, Party held the Scale,
And Violence the Sword."

Patrick Henry on urgency:

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.

Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free-- if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending--if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained--we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!

They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

I quote the American colonial revolutionaries not for ideological reasons, nor out of any great or particular admiration for them, rather for pragmatic political reasons.

How did this shit just "pop up" overnight is what I wanna know. These motherfuckers need to burn, not just for this shit either.

None of the important plans are being created by this administration. The plans were made well in advance, and most of the work goes on behind the scenes. The president is a salesman in the car dealer showroom, that's all. Someone else designed and built the cars.

Every thing you said is true Mike. And the god damn suburbanites just keep whistling out their assholes. Its every man for himself - I wonder if any of us really know how deeply people BELIEVE the lie that those who fall down and get left behind just couldn't hack it or they had some tragic flaw or hey "that's the breaks". Its brough about by bitter "class" divides - how much do people hate the sumbitch down the block with the fancy new SUV or the $1000 flatscreen? Enough to say "fuck him" when he goes under. Justified by "hey he's just chasing the dollar, his greed got the best of him" or "that's what you get for living beyond your means dumbass". Then they sob themselves to sleep wondering if/how they'll make it til their income tax return hits.

The latent urge to band together and overturn the bullies lives just below the surface in the hearts of the majority of the people - and every aspect of our lives is now dominated by petty tyrants, and all are suffering at their hands one way or another. It is an accidental conspiracy, a convergence of interests guided by a shared ethic - the tone for bullying is modeled by the powerful, supported and defended by the media, and everything that happens on the larger stage is aped and mimicked at every level. The power of the tyrants who are running the country is fed by the petty tyrants at all levels, created and sustained by them. I don't mean to say that "we get the government we deserve" therefore all is hopeless until we reform human nature. To the contrary, I am saying that confronting bullies anywhere is a revolutionary and powerful act

I've seen some shit lately that is so unfathomably petty I can't even put it into words. Completely remorseless, completely pitiless - people "do what they gotta do" and say screw the next guy. Where's your camaraderie and fellowship and mutual support amongst the working class Mike..I'm not seeing it right now.

Yes. I am seeing that as well.

Here's the deal: that which will make life better for almost everyone, give them relief and hope, not in a hypothetical way or off in the future eventually, but right now minute to minute, is exactly the same things that will improve the national situation and move us toward a mass social political revolution. In other words, there is no need to swim against the current, nor to convert or change people. The tragedy of the supposed Left is that the actual suffering of people in their real lives, day to day, minute to minute, has been completely segregated from what we call "politics" and from the national crisis. It is very easy to connect the two, once you see the connection and see how all talk about seeing and understanding that connection has been suppressed and purged from our discussion.

Every single complaint that the average person has is fodder for political revolution. The complaints are the tinder and kindling, and it is piling up more and more and more. A person's complaint may nominally be "those telemarketers," but unlike the liberals, we should not take that at face value and try to "solve it" - "the Democrats can pass a law that limits the hours ... a no call list... bullshit, bullshit, bullshit." Our job is not to alleviate the people's suffering, and certainly not to create some phony illusion of alleviating the people's suffering. Our job is to make people more aware of their suffering - to fan the flames, to bring everything to a boil, to present things in more stark relief.

Behind the person's complaint about telemarketing, or their electric bill, or traffic, or gas prices, or their boss, or immigrants, or anything else, is a sense of despair and frustration, a deep awareness that things have gone terribly wrong, a loss of hope, a fear and anxiety, a loss of control. There is a social injunction about "going there" and people think that they have to suck it up, look on the bright side, put on a happy face and all of the rest of that deadly and phony crap. But it is very easy, if you are willing to "go there," to loose the floodgates and the despair and anger will come pouring out.