Breaking: Conyers Calls Committee Back From Summer Recess To Investigate Suskind Allegations

[Livid_Liberal]

Breaking: Conyers Calls Committee Back From Summer Recess To Investigate Suskind Allegations

August 19th, 2008

http://www.buzzflash.net/story.php?id=65065

House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers has taken the highly unusual step of calling his
committee back from summer recess in order to investigate allegations by Ron Suskind
that the Bush administration forged a letter to buttress the links made between Saddam
and 9/11, and Saddam and WMD. The congressional Authorization for the Use of Force
Against Iraq, the ""War Resolution" which, as far short as it fell of a congressional
declaration of war, gave the invasion its constitutional legal cover, and gave Bush the
authorization to invade only after he had certified to congress the existence of these
two critical links. If Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, and if he did not possess
WMD, the war was off.

tags: conyers, investigation, suskind, bush admin
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Breaking: Conyers Calls Committee Back from Summer Recess to Investigate Suskind Allegations

by Ralph Lopez Page 1 of 3 page(s)

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Bre...80815-807.html

The 110th Congress isn’t over. We’re starting our work,

and then we’re doing it in a period where the Congress is in recess.

I’m calling everybody back." -- [link:http://www.democracynow.org/2008/8/14/after_ron_suskind_reveals_bush_admin|John Conyers on DemocracyNow], Aug.14,2008

IMPEACH - INDICT - IMPRISON !!!

[DancingBear]

Nah, with this group of Dems it will most probably be:



DISCUSS - SLAP ON WRIST - FUNDRAISE!!!

[Livid_Liberal]

I have... many times and I'll keep calling. ;)

[leftchick]

but I am refraining from any hope about this. All of his hearings have ended up with just threats of subpoenas and waiting and waiting and waiting until the clock runs out. They are all fucked up.

[LuPeRcALiO]

They kept trying to get him to say what he had planned and beyond "we're investigating" he really didn't have an answer. This was the second day that Suskind was on, Wednesday I think, and supposedly the third day of Conyers' investigation, but it sounded like he was basically counting on the show to do the investigating, which I guess is how it usually works anyway when you think about it, except they wait to see what the NYT will dig up instead of Democracy Now.

[Livid_Liberal]

If they have that letter in evidence and I believe Conyers wanted concrete evidence before he'd make a move and this is concrete evidence... then maybe he's fed up and that's why he called committee members back? We both know he doesn't do anything easily or lightly so maybe there is room for hope?

:toast:

[Livid_Liberal]

:shrug:

[DancingBear]

Pleading with enablers just don't do it for me. :)

(Besides, calling him and his fellow band of pretenders would mean I think it would make a difference, and since my last name is neither "corp." or "inc." I'm sure it won't)

[Livid_Liberal]

If you don't engage, you don't get anything.

"The greasy wheel gets the oil."

[DancingBear]

What we have instead is a pre-determined two-actor play, with the rest of the acting company blacklisted.

I've no desire to aid in such a farce, so instead I cast my lot with the blacklisted folks in hopes of getting them a fair shake.

Seems a much more honorable way to engage, yes?

[Livid_Liberal]

:(

[DancingBear]

Good try, but always remember that guilt trips NEVER work if the present day party that one wishes sympathy for is as phony as a three dollar bill. :)

(In your header I assume you meant the founding fathers variety, and not the NFL version) :)

[Livid_Liberal]

We need all hands on deck! ;)

I believe that... truly.

And yes, I'm talking about the first patriots...

They met here in secret... to plan the uprisings!

"Green Dragon Tavern, Boston

http://www.revolutionaryday.com/usro...nd/default.htm

http://www.revolutionaryday.com/usro...grdragon2x.jpg

"Near this spot stood the Green Dragon Tavern, the secret meeting place
of the Sons of Liberty and, in the words of Webster, the Headquarters
of the Revolution. To mark a site forever memorable as the birthplace
of American freedom, this tavern is restored to its rightful place on
Boston’s Freedom Trail, June 1993.

(Boston Marker)"


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


The Sons of Liberty and the Prelude to Revolution

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...e_prelude.html

snip-->

The first major act of the Sons of Liberty began with the hanging of an effigy of Andrew Oliver on August 14th, 1765,
the soon to be Distributor of Stamps for Massachusetts. Sheriffs in Boston refused to move the effigy as ordered,
for a huge crowd had gathered around the effigy. Ultimately Oliver's property on Kilby St. would be burned, the effigy's
head cut off and burned, his house stoned and ransacked by midnight. British forces had no power to stop it.

These actions would display the power of the Sons of Liberty as well as their complete willingness to use
violent force to further their goals. By the end of 1765, Sons of Liberty organizations would exist in all of the 13
colonies, although the heart of the Sons of Liberty would always remain in Boston.

The Sons of Liberty were a grassroots organization. The majority of their members came from the middle class,
tradesmen and shopkeepers. One of its most famous members was brewer Samuel Adams, cousin of John Adams
who would be one of the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and first Vice President of the United States.
Silversmith Paul Revere was also a prominent member.

;)

[Terwilliger]

whatever

I'll believe it when I see it.

[DancingBear]

But don't jump on the deck of the U.S.S. Democratic Party.

They try and tell you it's seaworthy, but the damn thing leaks like a sieve. :)

[leftchick]

there is always this....

Published on The Smirking Chimp (http://smirkingchimp.com)
Nuremberg Prosecutor: An Invasion = A Crime against Peace (Period)
By Bob Patterson
Created Aug 18 2008 - 4:30pm

The Opening Statement made by the lead American prosecutor at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trial, Robert H. Jackson, would, if anyone bothered to read it, eliminate the red herring issue of deliberate lying, from discussions considering the question: “Was the Invasion of Iraq a legitimate option?” Jackson presented on outline for the case that would be presented to the court. Jackson told the jury that if any country orders an “Invasion by its armed forces, with or without a declaration of war, of the territory of another State” it qualifies as a Crime against Peace.

President Bush’s apologists would point out that time was of the essence and extraordinary means were needed to cope with the situation. Jackson anticipated that line of reasoning when he said: “Any resort to war - to any kind of a war - is a resort to means that are inherently criminal.”

A brief time later, Jackson elaborated: “All other methods - persuasion, propaganda, economic competition, diplomacy - were open to an aggrieved country - but aggressive warfare was outlawed.”

Jackson would concede that the situation preceding the openings of hostilities was complicated: “We are not inquiring into the conditions which contributed to causing this war.”

Apparently Jackson anticipated some tricky blame shifting because he address that issue; before the Nuremberg Trial, there was a clever bit of circular logic protecting everyone involved in wars from culpability: “Those in lower ranks were protected against liability by the orders of their superiors. The superiors were protected because their orders were called acts of state.” The proceedings at Nuremberg recognized: “It cannot tolerate so vast an area of legal irresponsibility.”


<snip>

If a President of the United States were to be impeached for committing war crimes and ultimate were to face a prosecutor as methodical as Robert Jackson, he would dismiss an objection based on double jeopardy because: “This principle of personal liability is a necessary as well as logical one if International Law is to render real help to the maintenance of peace.”

It seems that Bush will not be removed from office by impeachment, and therefore the prospect of sitting in the docket for a crime against peace, is something that should not be casually dismissed as being very unlikely, because, ironically, culpability for such crimes is something that America worked very hard to establish as part of the Post World War II world.

Americans have become forgetful of the events at Nuremberg, much to the delight of the President and the hoard of fanatical supporters encouraged by the collaborators working as conservative talk radio hosts. Unfortunately there is a very high likelihood that the staff for the World Court in the Hague are more likely to be Robert Jackson clones than dittoheads, just because of his remarkable Opening Statement at the Nuremberg Trial.

Perhaps its time for President Bush to start growing a long white beard and masquerade as a new age shaman or, since he has ranch experience, perhaps he could become the foreman on the South American enclave where Adolf Eichmann found refuge?

[Dhalgren]

The Republicans ARE the Democrats. Conyers has no more credibility than any of the other members of the Incumbent Party. He votes more "liberally" than some of his Republican brethren (and sistren?), but "liberal" is as much a part of the problem as is "conservative" - those are false divisive labels. Liberals are just as Imperial, just as warmongering as are the conservatives (they just have a slightly different set of filthy rich beneficiaries) and they have the very same corporate backers. It is a ponzi game, a protection racket, it is organized crime writ big and brainwashed almost beyond recognition.

I want nothing to do with any Democrat or Republican, ever again...

[Katzenjammer]

textbook case of Nürnberg-worthy crimes against peace not even 2 years after the Nürnberg trials and hangings: the actions of the Jews in Palestine, when the UN acting as a sockpuppet of the US and UK illegally created 2 countries and the new "Israelis" promptly invaded and occupied the Arabs' diminished country.

As we all know, absolutely nothing has ever been done about it then or since. Hell, it's never even been publicly discussed even though there is and was plenty evidence of exactly the kind of criminality that should have had tens of thousands --Jews, and non-Jewish UKians and USAians-- tried, convicted, and hanged for it from the same scaffolds used on the Nazis.