Ayalon: Israel will stand by DeLay

[Janet]

Ayalon: Israel will stand by DeLay
By NATHAN GUTTMAN
Sep. 29, 2005 23:49 | Updated Sep. 30, 2005 6:09

WASHINGTON – The first public appearance of Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas) after being indicted and forced to leave his leadership position was at Wednesday night's dinner hosted by "Stand for Israel," a group of Israel-supporting evangelical Christians and Jews led by Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein.

"It's really good to be here among so many old friends and brothers and sisters in the cause for justice and human freedom," DeLay opened, drawing a standing ovation from the crowed. Some shouted, "We love you, Tom."

The ousted majority leader of the House of Representatives is known to be a staunch supporter of Israel and has close ties with right wing groups and the settlers. "Tom DeLay is a true friend of Israel and has always worked for the security and well-being of the state," Israeli ambassador to Washington Danny Ayalon said Thursday. "We will keep up the close ties with him."

Tom DeLay was forced to step down, at least temporarily, from his position as House majority leader after a Texas grand jury indicted him Wednesday on charges related to illegal use of campaign contributions. DeLay has denied any wrongdoing and his lawyers claim that the prosecution was driven, in this case, by political motivation.

As majority leader, Tom DeLay played a lead role in blocking US aid to the Palestinian Authority and conditioning its restoration on reforming the PA and fighting terror. He has supported foreign aid to Israel and backed pro-Israel resolutions on Capitol Hill.

In 2003, DeLay was one of the co-sponsors of House Resolution 294 that expressed support for Israel as it fights terrorism. In his speech from the floor, DeLay said that "Israel's fight is our fight" and added that the point of the war against terror is not only to defeat terror, but also "to destroy terrorists."

As a born-again Christian, DeLay is close to the pro-Israel Evangelical circles and has said in the past he believes that the land of Israel was given to the people of Israel by god and should not be divided. He opposed the US-led peace plan known the road map, calling it a "road map to disaster," and has been a critic of the Sharon government's disengagement plan.

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This just does not set well with me!

Janet

[starmaker]

Zionism may mask conversion efforts

The Tribune/September 22, 1984
By Ed Taylor


Jews should be careful about entering into a close dialogue with fundamentalist and evangelical Christian groups that are trying to use support of Zionism as a cover for proselytizing activities, says a Phoenix Jewish leader.
Richard Ross, a member of the national Committee for Cult and Missionary Activities of the Union of American Hebrew Congregations, specifically questioned the work of Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein of Chicago, who has written several books on Jewish-Gentile relations and engages in conversations with such leaders of the fundamentalist right as the Rev. Jerry Falwell.
Eckstein spoke this week in Tempe during a visit sponsored be the Jewish Federation of Greater Phoenix.
In an interview with The Tribune, Ross said he is deeply skeptical of the motives of Christian fundamentalists, who he believes are manipulating the Jewish community for their own ends.
"They are involved in Zionism for purely self-interpretation of the Book of Revelation," Ross said. "They see Israel as playing a pivotal position in the end of the world as we know it. This should be of concern to Jews, because such fundamentalists support a violent, volatile situation in the Middle East Peaceful reconciliation between Arabs and Jews would contradict their dark prophesies."
According to the fundamentalists interpretation of the Book of Revelation, the second coming of Christ is predicted upon the establishment of the state of Israel and the rebuilding of the ancient temple by the Jews on the Temple Mount on Jerusalem, he said.
As a result, many American-based fundamentalists and evangelical organizations are promoting the rebuilding of the temple and are even raising funds for the project, he said.
However, the site is occupied be the Dome of the Rock, a holy place in the Moslem religion, and any effort to tear it down and rebuild a Jewish temple on the site would create a furor in the Middle East, he said.
"We should recognize the fact that our goals and their goals for Israel and the Middle East differ sharply," Ross said, "There are few people in Israel who are foolish enough to think that abrogation of the Moslem holy site for the purpose of the reconstruction of the temple is a good idea. It is a volatile issue fraught with serious issues. That is why we must scrutinize the goals of the fundamentalists and evangelicals carefully."
Ross believes that fundamentalist Christians are using their support of Zionist goals to further the process of converting Jews to their beliefs.
"The Jewish community is highly concerned with the anti-Semitic implications of singling out Jews for special conversionary consideration," he said. "There is something that becomes an obvious contradiction when one embraces Zionism an thus makes overtures of friendship to the Jewish community and simultaneously is involved in proselytizing."
Ross cited Falwell and Pat Robertson, head of the Christian Broadcasting Network, as tow fundamentalists who are trying to convert Jews under the cover of supporting Zionism.
He said the National Conference of Christians and Jews and the North Phoenix Corporate Ministry are organizations that promote "positive reconciliation" between Jews and Gentiles.

more at http://www.rickross.com/reference/fu...ts/fund81.html

[Janet]

Furthermore, I was astounded to read that the Israelis weren't "wise" to DeLay's "born-again" evangelistic association/s and couldn't realize the transparency there.

According to the Book of Revelation, 144,000 Jews, (12,000 for each of the twelve tribes of Israel), will convert to Christianity in the end times, and those who do not convert will burn forever with Satan and his legions in hell. If I were Jewish, I would take offence at that and disassociate myself from persons such as Tom DeLay.

DeLay's such a sleazeball crook, anyway. I don't see how he could claim to be a Christian, because he certainly doesn't follow the true teachings of Jesus Christ.

Peace be with you!

Janet

[IndianaGreen]

The Ambassador who is a member of a rightwing party in a rightwing government is going to say sweet things about his American counterpart. This is no different from the Grand Mufti giving the nazi salute to Hitler. Birds of a feather do flock together.

[Tinoire]

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[TahitiNut]

It has always been my impression that there's been a bizarre alliance between anti-semites and Zionists. I see an odd similarity to the 'movement' to relocate all blacks in America to Liberia. The anti-semites in 19th century Europe seemed all too happy to support the 'voluntary' ethnic cleansing of Europe promised by Zionism, just as the racists in America embraced the notion of sending all blacks to Liberia.

Maybe I'm terminally simplistic. Maybe the sophisticates can recommend hours and hours and hours of convoluted written rhetoric that would disabuse me of this notion. I dunno. It just seems to me that ethnic cleansing devotees don't give a rat's ass about the disguise they wear. Dunno.

[Tinoire]

about that very bizarre alliance but I've noticed it too and it's been extremely troubling. There are too many innocent people caught in the middle of some very dark alliances. I find no forgiveness in my heart for those who have machiavellically, cynically exploited people's fears & sensitivities over the years.

[Violet Crumble]

While the garden-variety US Zionists would fly into a rage and start typing feverishly and looking for an alert button at the idea of anti-Semitism and Zionism forming bizzare alliances at times, there is something to the impression you've got. It mainly seems to happen in North America, though, not in Europe or Australia...

At times anti-Semites and Zionists have shared goals, even though the motive for those goals are different...

Violet...

[bemildred]

not really enemies, but colleagues in a shared drama that
is intended to keep all us peasants at bay, all sorts of
"strange" ideas stop looking so strange.

The one thing I'm pretty sure of is if you have some guy who
makes his living fighting evil, he going to take a dim view
of actually stomping it out for good.

Or to quote Henry Miller:

For the man in the paddock, whose duty it is to sweep up
manure, the supreme terror is the possibility of a world
without horses.

[TahitiNut]

Every Victim needs a Rescuer and a Villain.
Nobody ever admits to being a Villain, even to themselves.

Not even in the WWF ... or politics.

The Democrats claim to be Rescuers.
The Republicans claim to be Rescuers.
The People aren't allowed to be anything but Victims.

It's the melodrama of dysfunction.

[Tinoire]

This thread is great. Just reading through it and realizing how many people see through this crap is heart-warming that maybe, someday, we may have peace.

"The Democrats claim to be Rescuers.
The Republicans claim to be Rescuers.
The People aren't allowed to be anything but Victims."

Time to dump them BOTH in my opinion and the sooner the better. I'm so SICK of their bipartisan charade.

[Janet]

it's as though these people believe that they have a secret, holy mission to "cozy up" to the Jews and back the Jews' belief that God gave them all of Palestine as His "chosen people," while at the same time knowingly condemning the Jews who do not convert to Christianity to eternal damnation with Satan and his legions in hell.

The persons I pity are the Jews who aren't wise enough to see through this facade, but that would entail educating these people regarding the prophecies in the Book of Revelation. Furthermore, that book of the New Testament is the most controversial book of the Christian bible and requires scholarly interpretation to the nth degree in determining what John's visions actually mean.

Also, for the prophecies to actually "bear full fruit," it would involve "cleansing" the area of all non-Jews in a very bloody battle. This would mean the total anihilation of all Muslims, including Muslims from other countries who would join the battle against the Jews in defense of the Palestinian Muslims.

Countless innocent people would be caught up in this battle, and for what? The "visions" of a crazed, old man,(John the beloved), tortured by the Romans both physically and mentally and then banished to live out his last days on the island of Patmos?

I'm sorry, but I don't "buy it" for one nanosecond!!!!!

Janet

[Kat]

Not a word or you are labeled "anti-semite."

[Tinoire]

The anti-Semite slur is too often thrown out, in a very calculating manner by apologists, aka supporters of Sharon's actions, and weakening the 'sting' to the great glee of real anti-Semites who celebrate that weakening.

It's time to take that language back, all the language that's been exploited by the right-wing and supporters of right-wing actions needs to be taken back. It's also time to stop arguing with people who fling that out constantly. There are TOO many Jews and Israelis who see through that crap and don't play that game for us to waste time with the Sharon apologists.

terrorist lover, anti-Semite, freedom hater, troop hater, unpatriotic etc... We need to reclaim ALL those words.

On the other hand, we need to be careful too not to tolerate any racism, any anti-Semitism towards Jews or Arabs within our ranks. As a Black woman, the last person I want using my campaign for justice to advance his campaign of hate is someone like David Duke. And the last people I want exploiting my outrage over the Shoah are people supporting the current Nakhba against the Palestinians.

How ugly the world is made by those who believe their category is elevated compared to everyone else's. Racist whites, racist Jews, racist Blacks, ain't got time for none of them and hope they all end up in the gehenna together snarling at each other for all eternity.

[Kat]

hypocrisy and hidden agendas and calling people out on all that b.s.!

[Janet]

is being tempted to argue with the apologists when I could be using my time for something much more constructive.

Peace be with you!

Janet

[Mairead]

to suppose that the Nazis qualified as anti-Semitic.

Lenni Brenner supplements his extraordinary contribution to studies in Zionism with 51 Documents. His new book serves as a documentary ally to his previous work on this issue, especially Zionism in the Age of the Dictators (1983). He introduces each document economically with relevant headnotes and he includes a brief introduction, a concluding "Final Word on the Final Solution" and a glossary.

An important Nazi document succinctly expresses the underlying idea for the Zionist -Nazi connection. It is a 1937 report on Eichmann's 1937 trip to Palestine and Egypt. The Nazi writer found that "In Jewish nationalist circles people were very pleased with the radical German policy since the strength of the Jewish population in Palestine would be so far increased thereby that in the foreseeable future the Jews could reckon upon numerical superiority of the Arabs in Palestine."

In his famous document of 1923, "The Iron Wall," Vladimir Jabotinsky makes explicit the Zionist view that "justice" demands a majority of Jews in Palestine. At the same time, he expresses his clear understanding that the Arabs will never willingly agree to the massive Jewish immigration that would be required to make the Arabs a minority in their own country.

One of the most important documents, Brenner reprints, is one that is based on Eichmann's testimony originally published two parts in Life Magazine under the title, "'I Transported Them to the Butcher,' Eichmann's Own Story," published after Eichmann was captured in 1960. The material comes from taped interviews Eichmann originally gave to a Dutch Nazi journalist in 1955 in connection with the trial in Israel of Dr. Renzo Kastner. At that time, Kastner was an Israeli government official who during the war, had collaborated with Eichmann in order help a few thousand Jews escape to Palestine. Eichmann's motivation to agree to the deal was to avoid another Warsaw Ghetto style uprising in Hungary. In the end, Eichmann successfully transported more than 600,000 Hungarian Jews to the ovens of Auschwitz. The few who escaped, he later said, were a cheap price to pay for the smooth Hungarian operation.

Eichmann openly says that at a certain moment, Hitler ordered the "liquidation" of the Jews and hints that he didn't necessarily believe that it was a correct decision. Part of Eichmann's job entailed his presence at a number of executions of Jews. (One would think that Eichmann's testimony alone would be sufficient to silence the Holocaust deniers, but alas, things don't seem to work that way in the real world.)


The 1978 memoir of Nathan Yellin -Mor, one of the leaders of the Stern Gang, is a fascinating example of how ideology shapes reality. He explains the wartime motives behind the Stern gang's drive to fight the British and make an alliance with the Nazis despite the clear understanding that "Germany had declared war on the Jewish `race." Yellin-Mor quotes Yair, (Avraham Stern's underground name), who made a distinction between the "foe" (Britain) and the "arch enemy" (Nazi Germany). Since the "foe is in control of our homeland and denies the Hebrew people statehood and freedom... the presence of the arch enemy must not put off the struggle against the foe ... even for a single day." Implicit is the fascist ideology of the Stern Gang which dismissed the humanity of the Arabs to be displaced in Palestine just as the Nazis dehumanized the Jews in order to destroy them.

One of the most affecting documents was written by one of the heroes of the Holocaust, Rabbi Michoe Ber Weissmandel, an Oxford student who returned to his native Slovakia when war broke out. His "Personal Story" printed in 1986 in the Jewish Guardian recounts how he was able to use Jewish money from abroad to save Jewish lives in Europe and how his pleas for more money from rich Jews abroad fell on deaf ears. Amazon.com review by Ronald Bleier of Lenni Brenner's book 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis