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Thread: Footnotes from the Ukrainian "Crisis"; New High-Points in Cynicism Part III

  1. #21
    According to data of law enforcement bodies, the riots were organized by the All-Ukrainian union Svoboda, the Radical Party and other organizations.
    This could become quite a show.
    "America was never great"

    "Anyone who analyzes the state of affairs in the world will find that it is the imperialists and capitalists, who subject the world to the worst poverty, the worst backwardness, and they are simply the scourge of mankind." - Fidel

    "Privilege begets psychopathy" - blindpig

  2. #22
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    colonelcassad
    September 1 11:20


    In the morning, you can draw some conclusions from yesterday.

    The immediate culprit - a fighter battalion MIA "Sich" Gumenyuk Igor, who is also and a member of the youth organization of the party "Freedom" in Kamenetz-Podolsk. Colleagues battalion "Sich" describes the character as "the hero of the ATU" who bravely defended the village of Sands from separatists and saying that it is to overthrow the government and third Maidan was not called. What is interesting, according to some sources he was from August 3 to September 3, was on vacation and had to go back to the front. But after kidka grenades that cast a shadow on the agency Avakov (although there is no place to put the stigma already), suddenly it became clear that "the hero of the ATU" Gumenyuk was in the process of dismissal from the Interior Ministry. Why is this happening is quite clear - it is one thing when a grenade thrown member of the party "Freedom", another thing when a grenade thrown employee MIA. By the way, note that a member of the fascist party itself is quite legally served in the Ministry of Interior. This is the merging of fascism with the state apparatus. According to the victims of such alignment. 1 killed and 131 wounded, 7 of them severe. UPD: According to specified data http://ria.ru/world/20150901/1221108395.h tml # ixzz3kTUx3ZqO dead 3. Avakov claims not to 3, and 2. http: / /ria.ru/world/20150901/1221129454.h tml for the dead is still lack of coordination on the cause of death - some sources say the shards, the other on the pool. Judging by the hole in the Verkhovna Rada, firearms are used, although photos and videos, it is not evident to the eye. Ability to work "unknown snipers", whose task was to provoke unrest and bloodshed. But so far nothing concrete except the marked holes from bullets and contradictory information on causes of death natsigvardeytsa not. As a result of the riots were detained 69 people. One of the characters suggests that he broke his arm during the arrest, and the police car he was beaten and choked by police in the presence of "new police". The character complains that during the beating he was called maydaunom and Bandera. Arrests by former police chief under Yanukovich in Kiev, from which Poroshenko withdrew lustration.





    No specifics on the fact that threw you Gumenyuk grenade on his own initiative or at someone's instigation ("Freedom", the SBU and FSB) are not currently represented.
    Speaking subjectively, I am inclined to believe that it was his personal initiative by virtue of alternative gifts. Although it remains a mystery who was shooting a firearm and for what purpose?
    Now this initiative (if it was the initiative and not planned provocation) will be used for other purposes - definitely lose the "freedom" and possibly a number of other fascist radical organizations. Benefit from this kidka grenades Poroshenko, the United States and to some extent Russia. PS. And yes, in Kiev yesterday handed agit.materialy Poroshenko with a portrait and the slogan "Kill the f ... race."

    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2366388.html

    Google Translator
    "We say to the workers: 'You will have to go through fifteen, twenty, fifty years of civil wars and international wars, not only in order to change existing conditions, but also in order to change yourselves and fit yourselves for the exercise of political power."'

    MARX (On the Communist Trial at Cologne, 1851).

  3. #23
    Reports from the militia of New Russia
    today at 5:40 am
    02/09/15 Posted by Oleg Tsareva "Stop feeding the junta! First, just the bare facts. Russia has become the largest supplier of diesel fuel to Ukraine. Previously, the leader in this area was Belarus, but now the export of oil products from Belarus decreased, but Russia, on the contrary, increased its deliveries (182 thousand tons of diesel fuel in the last month). In addition, Russia - a major supplier of coal to Ukraine. Last month, the coal from Russia imported 54 million dollars. And there's still and gas - without Russian gas Kiev regime simply have nowhere to go, no European reverse the country's needs will not provide. And esche- support of the Ukrainian banking system through investments in the Ukrainian subsidiary Russian state-owned banks in Ukraine. And yet - in the Russian food imports from Ukraine, which is still ongoing, and will continue for about six months, although anti-Russian sanctions Kiev has already joined. And yet - the fate of the loan, this is still Yanukovych that Kyiv seems not going to return as paying him nothing. But it is not just numbers. It is the price of survival of the Kiev regime, that is necessary for the extension of his power energy and infrastructure Soldering, which, unfortunately, gives him above all Russia. After all, if all of these supplies were furnished by Russia stringent political conditions, Kiev would have a simple choice: to meet the requirements of the federalization of the country, a neutral military status, release of political prisoners, official bilingualism - or be the face of a truly mass where there Maidan protests, after which power would collapse, and no "terrbaty" and "dobrobaty" it would not be saved. But these conditions are not put forward - and the Nazi authorities behaved arrogantly, as confident of their impunity. But America Kyiv feed will not. And Europe Kyiv feed will not. They - America and Europe - every penny (dollar, euro cent) save to their advantage, and to sacrifice his success in the elections to tell voters that they should give their money somewhere in Kiev - no, it is Western politicians will never go. And that means that all plans to support Ukraine, which exist in the elites of the European Union and the United States, written quite clearly: the financial burden of the Nazi regime should take over Russia. Why? Most likely, in the vain hope of "rewind" the conflict with the West and to achieve the lifting of sanctions. But if in the case of the supply of gas and coal can be said that this problem has also an important humanitarian aspect - is immoral to fight even with the current Kiev regime of price freezing homes of millions of people - the supply of diesel fuel situation is different. After all, fuel is most likely designed for the needs of UTA. It's hard to even think about it. Probably just as hard to look at the trains, which until of June 1941 left the Soviet Union to Germany, where in the framework of non-aggression pact German army contained including using Soviet exports. But history has taught us, what end these covenants and is a "non-aggression". That is why it must be said clearly: enough to feed the junta. After eating, she would start a war with a bang. But to begin to starve her now would be helpful. "

    http://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_72987

    Google Translator
    "We say to the workers: 'You will have to go through fifteen, twenty, fifty years of civil wars and international wars, not only in order to change existing conditions, but also in order to change yourselves and fit yourselves for the exercise of political power."'

    MARX (On the Communist Trial at Cologne, 1851).

  4. #24
    Regarding released today forecast analysis Strelkov the timing and probability of occurrence of the APU can say the following: First, it is quite logical Gunmen indicates the start date of the third decade of the month, as the most likely to attack, and at the same time preclusive. Putin's trip to New York is regarded by the Kremlin as a very important one, dancing around the meeting of Putin and Obama have already begun. Format "Norman Quartet" and the Minsk agreement shown to be ineffective by the fact that Europe does not appear independent in making decisions on sanctions (and they have caused putting military victory a year ago), Ukraine in general completely controlled territory, and to conduct lialog it is impossible in principle, - there is no responsible politician. Decide you need a real customer catastrophe, and therefore meeting in New York is extremely important for Putin, and continues to have a serious weight of the "peacemakers" - they are traitors. It is absurd not to consider this factor, and not to try to thwart such a meeting (or reduce its meaning to zero). The onset of the APU in these days Putin put before a choice - either to leave New York, or to make any meeting pointless. In this sense, the twentieth of September in terms of the possible occurrence of APU is very likely. If we consider that oversees the Kiev Vice President Biden, who represents Washington's position hard hawks, we can assume that the probability of such a development is very high.

    Screenshot 02.09.2015 at 16.27.43



    Purely military unit is also quite valid - after September 20, there is too little time before the onset of autumn weather and the weather factor is beginning to play a serious role. In principle, military equipment is designed for any environment, especially Soviet, but when on the verge of, grow to unacceptable risks. Therefore, if the situation remains relatively stable, and after September 20 - we can expect that in the next month and a half or two, it will not change, and there will play the role of factors Minsk agreements with the election turn-border and so on. On the other hand, the hand does not become delve into the theme of political background events. Disrupt the meeting of Putin and parlay general strategy for the whole of Ukraine - the exchange is still not equivalent to the West too. The Kremlin is now in such a situation that the implementation or failure of the Minsk agreement for it is equally harmful, so in the US there is no consensus on what is more promising in terms of further "lowering" of Putin. No one, and especially not hide the fact that the issue is primarily concerned with is the Russian president. His departure, and leaving in disgrace for the United States is a very important result. Therefore, all classifications around Russia are considered first in this way. Letting the Donbass can become a heavy blow to Putin's position, and therefore already in Moscow are trying to do everything to give out what is happening behind Peremoga. Conditions that puts Kiev, that's why look for the Kremlin unacceptable - there is already believed to have done everything in abundance. While both States and Europe are still more inclined to think that the implementation of the Minsk agreement is more favorable for them, although here there is a problem associated with the maintenance of Ukraine - it is obviously running out of options, and to pay it to maintain the environment at the minimum stable wants neither Europe nor the United States. Debt cancellation, which is actually a bondage - this is the limit, which now can go to the West. Therefore, the position of those who insist on the continuation of Russian blackmail Kiev to extract additional funds, is also very strong. It is obvious that the Kremlin no longer able to continue to keep Ukraine without risking has its own equilibrium. This is the struggle of different campaigns and became decisive in the question of the likelihood of the APU. Kiev is already solves nothing. Most likely, this is why Kravchuk and Gorbulin quite hysterical, and almost panicky need to translate a decision into the plane of the blockade of Donbass: this will eliminate the possibility of implementation of the agreements Minsk, on the other hand - will not require an immediate military solution to the problem, which is fraught with yet another disaster. The final decision of such a proposal is not, but now no one is trying to build in the least long-term policy - we would stand a day ... In the end, it turns out that Putin's trip to New York, in a sense, becomes the reference point. It is clear that the Kremlin will try to protect themselves and the environment, and chances are, spit on all the conventions will defiantly pump up "people's republic" military presence. Here, too, has its dangers - can easily go too far. However, there is no simple solution. Simple and unique solution - a military victory and the surrender of the enemy. All the rest - a trade and bluff. Who will deceive stronger.

    http://el-murid.livejournal.com/2498087.html

    Google Translator
    "We say to the workers: 'You will have to go through fifteen, twenty, fifty years of civil wars and international wars, not only in order to change existing conditions, but also in order to change yourselves and fit yourselves for the exercise of political power."'

    MARX (On the Communist Trial at Cologne, 1851).

  5. #25
    Hands: on urgent military situation - APU nearly finished concentration of forces for the offensive



    02/09/2015 - 13:07
    Hands: on urgent military situation - APU nearly finished concentration of forces for an attack | Russian Spring
    Former Defense Minister Donetsk People's Republic Igor Strelkov gave a brief outlook on the military situation on the basis of his personal analysis of the available data.

    Currently, Ukrainian troops almost finished concentration of forces for the planned offensive.

    In the areas selected as the direction of the main strike (to the south of Donetsk), their superiority over the opposing portions of the BCH is estimated approximately as 5-fold. Shelter for the defense in depth, the group has stressed offensive APU configuration.

    At the front is actively conducted additional exploration LDNR army positions. Moreover, being a professional reconnaissance (presumably - PMCs). The number of drones and electronic warfare involved're coming out, the military is impressive. Near the front of the considerable reserve of ammunition to all kinds of weapons.

    APU power available is sufficient to effect the defeat of opposing "militia corps" within a week or two, with the first day of the offensive can be achieved profound breakthroughs with access to the rear communications.

    The attack can be worn as a character of "General" (aimed at the access to the border with the Russian Federation on all over and the subsequent complete destruction of republics), and limited, the aim of which may be the capture of the southern part of the DNI and vital infrastructure, without which even a partial economic autonomy Donbass would be impossible.

    A full-scale attack should be expected before the autumn slush and thus remains at the disposal of the APU is not more than a month and a half for its beginning.

    And taking into account the need to not only start, but finish the operation before the onset of the autumn slush, the period of the offensive moves in the frame before the September 20-25. If before the deadline will not start an offensive, with a high probability it will be possible to predict the preservation of the status quo before the winter frosts.

    However, the postponement of the operation although it is possible, but unlikely, as the deteriorating economic and political situation in Kiev junta does not guarantee the ability to re-assemble an equally powerful group for the attack six months later.

    The most appropriate term for the attack (putting yourself in the place of the enemy) seem to stay V. Putin in New York at the UN General Assembly (20th of September) - so it can be achieved the effect of rendering it a massive pressure from the t. N. "The international community" at the time of the adoption of strategic decisions on the provision of or failure to provide military assistance LDNR or the extent of the aid.

    Let me remind you that the "war 8.8.8", and decisive events "revolution gidnosti" were made at a time when the VV Putin was outside Moscow (in China and the Olympiade in Sochi). In the first case, the effect was not achieved. In the second - the question for me is not clear.

    http://rusvesna.su/news/1441188055

    Google Translator
    "We say to the workers: 'You will have to go through fifteen, twenty, fifty years of civil wars and international wars, not only in order to change existing conditions, but also in order to change yourselves and fit yourselves for the exercise of political power."'

    MARX (On the Communist Trial at Cologne, 1851).

  6. #26
    Closed analyst on the situation in the NPT in late 2014



    colonelcassad
    September 3 12:51


    The network flowed interesting documents of the DNI (in fact the whole armful of various documents about the internal situation in the NPT at the end of 2014). They found a lot of interesting. Cap common to all.


    Donetsk People's Republic Association "Entrepreneur of the DNI"
    83050, Donetsk, Artema, 98. St. AA01 №01701,
    the identification code number 50000091
    m / s 2600400012 Republican Central Bank DNI, Donetsk
    bodies. +38 099 0222000, +38 063 7585833, e-mail: http: //dnr.asotsiatsiya@mail.ru
    for internal use

    COVER SHEET By the results of the survey 24 December 2014 Date of the study - 20-23 December 2014.

    Cities survey - Donetsk, Makiyivka, Shahtersk, Yenakiyevo. The mood of the population in the last two weeks the level of negative sentiment among the inhabitants of the republic increased dynamics accelerated. The degree of confidence in the leadership of the republic is not only reduced, but, by and large, not at all. Height "bold" answers recorded and enters the dominant level. The number of socially inert population remains at around 70%. However, with all the negative moral fixed point increase in the standard of living of the population. At the same time, only a small part of the respondents puts it credit for managers DNI. Noticeably more frequently over the past 50 days, analysts have begun to commit such opinions as "we have merged", "Russia we throw" and "we are not wanted." The main opinion - "power bandits ". Analytical Department believes the current level of negativity is extremely high, but not critical and reparable. Awareness of the population of the fact that the NPT will not enter into the Russian Federation, significantly affected the results of the study. The level of support format independent states increased from 9 to 22%. And wanting to remain a part of Ukraine as an autonomous republic, with 14 to 29%. The number of those who see the NPT as a subject of the Russian Federation decreased from 77 to 48%. In contrast to previous studies, taxi drivers and motorists in the country noted a positive trend with respect to reducing the number of cars with alarms activated. TC without number plates are becoming increasingly rare. Negative news flow from Ukraine decreased the level of pro-Ukrainian population in the DNI approximately 15% to 10%. The level of hatred for the policy pursued by the Ukrainian authorities above dissatisfaction with the authorities DNI. Analysts Association believe that by the end of January 2015 the two indicators will be equal. The number of ardent supporters of the NPT remained stable (15%). Increase in the number wishing to leave the DNI in the last 2 weeks has increased. This layer does not see prospects in the country. The expected peak of the new wave of emigration is expected by the end of January 2015. The qualitative composition of traveling - highly trained specialists, while the idea of the Patriots of New Russia. A wave of emigration of the working class is projected to March 2015. Optimism fueled by payments of pensions and allowances in the NPT, is gradually fading. The reason - a significant increase in the prices of essential goods. Complete the payment of pensions in Ukraine increased the number of pensioners sorry for choosing an independent path of development of New Russia. December 23 g.Shahtersk recorded mass meeting at the walls of disgruntled executive committee (about 25 persons). Participants were displaced from the combat zone (s.Nikishino, miner's district). The rally was held at the walls of the executive committee, then met with Mayor of the city. However, according to the protesters no problem with looting in their village, no problem getting humanitarian aid has not been solved. Several sources have confirmed the fact. In social networks recorded testimonies few civil unrest in Gorlovka. Requirements audience - a meeting with the head of the Republic and the resignation of the local authorities.

    The humanitarian situation
    Allowances from 1 December significantly reduced humanitarian stress. But the level of confidence in the government fell due to poor organization of the process. The presence of hungry people has never recorded. However, about half of the respondents states that an average of 5% of the population in an emergency. Active population help each other there. Humanitarian assistance often shared with relatives, friends and neighbors. The most common request of the population to the leadership of the Republic is taking care of orphans, as well as the disabled and pensioners who can not leave their homes to receive humanitarian assistance and benefits.

    Ratings politicians most significantly decreased Rating A.Zaharchenko - more than 2 times. Less downgraded A.Purgina and D.Pushilina. Purgin - three heads. The leader of the political preferences - I.Strelkov (63%). The relative P.Gubareva rating is 26%. Total rating R.Ahmetova fluctuates within the error, but continues to grow slowly. Research Department notes that it is the only Person, whose rating has a positive dynamics. Correspondence rating in Donetsk - 6%. The whole country - 3.5%. Forecast of the leading positions at today's trends - spring 2015. Intuitively, ranking leaders of Russia falls. Analysts calving convinced that this is due to incoherent policies of Moscow on the future of New Russia.

    Job Media DNI
    In the last 2 weeks of the monitoring group notes the revitalization of Ministers in the field of public relations. Number of negative news is reduced. However, it recorded a sharp resentment appearance A.Zaharchenko and Minister for Revenue and fees A.Timofeeva in camouflage at a meeting with farmers. The information remains on hunger catastrophically high. Residents of the republic are tired of uncertainty. The lack of clear objectives and goals is a powerful factor of demobilization. The audience there is a lack of entertainment content and author of TV programs.

    The State Service for civil servants in the administrative regions of the NPT notes the lack of a close connection with the management of ministries. Noticed the high level of excess questions about algorithms. The officials, in turn, see the solution to the problem by restoring the videoconference and more frequent meetings in the capital.

    Humanitarian assistance sharply increased resentment of the population because of the minimal presence of humanitarian aid from Russia. TV channels consistently warn about the new "gumkonvoyah" and the population receives humanitarian aid from Russia in very rare cases. In the background stood Shahtersk other cities. According to inhabitants, no theft of humanitarian aid provided by Chechen special forces. However, the organization of the process leaves much to be desired. The population has fixed the distribution of Christmas gifts from the Communist Party in Donetsk Circus, targeted assistance from the commandant's office of Donetsk and point patronage of Russian citizens. Conducting fair to the day of Solidarity on December 20 in Donetsk made ​​only humanitarian effect. Most of those present once again disappointed with the organization of the event. Spectators who were at the scene, admitted that they are involved in the event in the voluntary-compulsory order. About 40% of consumers were aware that the fair attracted them for extras. The number of queues ranged from 40 to 80 people. Repeatedly voiced suspicions that are traded humanitarian aid. The population, in Donetsk, Makeyevka and Shakhtersk notes the important role of aid from the Fund R.Ahmetova. In Donetsk and Makeyevka this aid actually saves from starvation allegedly 15% of the population. G.Shahtersk The total assistance from the Russian Federation and Akhmetov Foundation helps to "survive" one-third of the population. In Yenakiyevo recorded work of the Foundation "Let's help each other." Source purely domestic help - citizens, owners of shops and businesses. Reviews fund predominantly positive. Focus Association "Entrepreneurs DNI»

    PS1. In principle, the analyst more or less accurately reflect what was happening at the end of last year, the DNR.

    PS2. There's still a lot of things, as you read an interesting will spread.

    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2368875.html

    Google Translator
    "We say to the workers: 'You will have to go through fifteen, twenty, fifty years of civil wars and international wars, not only in order to change existing conditions, but also in order to change yourselves and fit yourselves for the exercise of political power."'

    MARX (On the Communist Trial at Cologne, 1851).

  7. #27
    About the package of documents of the DNI



    September 3 14:38


    So what about the issues concerning the package of documents https://dropmefiles.com/CblfJ, which leaked into the network, and examples of which are laid out a little earlier http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/236 8875.html

    1. From this set of documents in February-March 2015 read at least 2 of the document - it analitichku on Khodakovsky and material Timofeev. Documents revolved MGB DNI. Other documents not previously seen. Regarding the role of Akhmetov's never surprised, especially since about trips and multi-pronged tycoon wrote earlier (for example about the January meeting with Zakharchenko, where the parties agree).

    2. Regarding complaints against various fighters from the "East", "Hold" and GRU DNI, then there is likely to documents exactly true, last autumn we are about in the same spirit passed on information about crime (including those involving the militias) in the military police DNR, which taxied "The Nose" (there was even a separate post with your contacts, after which I was sent a few dozen complaints of looting, robbery, forced off machines and several murders) or betrayed case publicity (like stories in Bryanka where local bandits pretended to militias shot people and threw them into the pit). Apparently, this summary lists that were going through the military police, the MGB and possibly prosecutors. The result of what is in these lists was a ban on the carrying of weapons, number of disarmament units sweep "poor Chechens", etc. That is kind of documents are summarized in this package and lay the basis for a decision on bringing order to the hard front line. So in this case, the findings of the facts have been made ​​and such anarchic bespridel as late as last autumn forecast for the DNI is not (while retaining plenty of other problems).

    3. It looks like as if some hackers dragged documents MGB DNI (analitichki apparently written or entities associated with Akhmetov, either as a senior reader MGB). But I would seriously consider the fact that perhaps the documents MGB sailed from Mariupol, which were constantly leaks from law enforcement agencies through intelligence and technical intelligence SBU. Then I remember the spring of 2015, when some parts of the WPC were even instructions from commanders to immediately report to a superior officer about the contacts with employees of the MGB DNI. The moral - must be vigilant and strengthen the measures of technical protection of information, as this is not the first documents DNI authorities are running out on the other side. The game "Who is the greatest enemy to steal documents" is in fact in both directions.

    4. What flowed old documents (think if it was defamatory nove DNI and curators, he would certainly have laid out), it's not so scary. It would be worse if there was a leak of current operational information. But now the situation is somewhat different in the DNR, than in November-December 2014 and most of the layouts in the past six months, seriously changed, which of course does not eliminate a number of unfortunate facts associated with individual personalities.

    5. Regarding whether the reaction is, I think those who put her on a post check, and so in the course of these cases, but in some cases linked to political expediency "Minsk course" prevails, while in others, and so there is a check. "Zeroed" is unlikely someone will, but some personnel changes may occur. Regarding the leaks and so work is being done, and I think this case, those who should be worked out.

    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2369075.html

    Google Translator
    "We say to the workers: 'You will have to go through fifteen, twenty, fifty years of civil wars and international wars, not only in order to change existing conditions, but also in order to change yourselves and fit yourselves for the exercise of political power."'

    MARX (On the Communist Trial at Cologne, 1851).

  8. #28
    (Here is a properly translated version of the post above courtesy of the good folks at Slavyangrad.)

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    Original: Colonel Cassad
    Translated by Alya & Alan Bailey / Edited by @GBabeuf



    Now in the morning we can sum up the results of yesterday’s events.

    The culprit is a soldier of the Sych Battalion of the MIA [Ministry of Internal Affairs ‒ed.], Igor Vladimirovich Gumenyuk, who is also a member of the youth wing of the Svoboda Party from the town of Kamenets-Podolsky.




    His colleagues from the Sych Battalion describe him as an “ATO hero”, who bravely defended the town of Peski from the separatists, and say that he neither has anything to do with the toppling of the authorities, nor with any call for a third Maidan.

    Interesting fact—according to some information he was on leave from August 3 till September 3, and is supposed to return to the front-line. But after throwing the grenade, which cast a shadow on Avakov’s department, it suddenly became clear that the “ATO hero” had been in the process of dismissal from the ranks of the MIA. It is quite understandable why this is happening—it is one thing when a grenade is thrown by a member of the Svoboda Party, but it is another matter when a grenade is thrown by an employee of the MIA of Ukraine. By the way, note that a member of a fascist party quite legally worked in MIA. This is the merging of fascism with the state apparatus.

    The casualties are: 1 dead and 131 injured, including 7 critically.

    Update: according to Ria Novosti, 3 dead. Avakov insists there are 2 dead, not 3.

    There is still no confirmed account of how the deceased was killed—some sources claim it was by shrapnel, others, by a bullet. Judging by the hole in a window of the Verkhovna Rada, firearms were used, although they cannot be clearly seen in pictures and videos. Possibly “unknown snipers” were operating whose task was to provoke riots and bloodshed. But there is no certain information about this apart from the bullet hole and (contradictory) information about the causes of death of the National Guard.

    As a result of the riots sixty-nine people were arrested. One of these says his arm was broken during the arrest, and that later, while in the police car, he was beaten and choked by policemen in the presence of “new police.”

    He also complains that while they were beating him, they called him “Maidown” [a portmanteau of Maidan and Down’s Syndrome ‒ed.] and ”Banderite.” The arrests were conducted under the authority of the former police chief of Kiev under Yanukovich, whom Poroshenko had removed from the lustration list.


    There is no information on whether Gumenyuk threw the grenade on his own initiative or on somebody else’s orders (Svoboda, the SBU or the FSB [SBU: Security Service of Ukraine; FSB: Federal Security Service of Russian Federation ‒ed.]).

    In my own opinion I am inclined to believe that it was his own initiative because of being alternatively gifted. But it remains a mystery who was shooting from a firearm and to what end.

    Now this initiative (if it really was an initiative and not a planned provocation) will be used for other purposes—unequivocally, Svoboda will lose out and possibly a number of other fascist, radical organisations. The beneficiaries of this grenade tossing will be Poroshenko, the USA and, to some extent, Russia.

    P.S. And yes, yesterday leaflets were handed out in Kiev leaflets bearing Poroshenko’s portrait and the words “Kill the fag.”


    http://slavyangrad.org/2015/09/02/results/#more-6304

    (Well, there's a new one for the lexicon, 'alternatively gifted'. Ha!)
    "We say to the workers: 'You will have to go through fifteen, twenty, fifty years of civil wars and international wars, not only in order to change existing conditions, but also in order to change yourselves and fit yourselves for the exercise of political power."'

    MARX (On the Communist Trial at Cologne, 1851).

  9. #29
    Future DPR PM Alexandr Zakharcheno guarding SSU building from anti-UA-govt protesters March 2014



    Published on Aug 29, 2015
    March 2014, People's Governor of Donetsk Pavel Gubarev (leader of the anti-govt protests at that time, pretty much person who started acting for real the first) arrested by the UA SSU and deliered to the Donetsk SSU prison, anti-Euromaidan government protesters gather near the building demanding to free Pavel Gubarev. Future DPR PM Alexandr Zakharchenko (working in Akhmetov's security company at that time as an ordinary guard) stands in the pro-govt forces barrier guarding the SSU building from the angered protesters.

    Around the same time Motorola participates in anti-government ralliers in Kharkov.

    Later, the 'Oplot' unit will be formed on the base of Akhmetov's security companies (the organization will later grow into the 'Oplot' brigade). In fact, before the Euromaidan (and war, which is pretty much the same) there was an Ukrainian 'Oplot' organization (also connected to Akhmetov and Party of Regions) which was formed by veterans of Ukrainain police and security service, based in Kharkov (its name comes from an Ukrainian 'wunderwaffen'-tank 'Oplot' (built in Kharkov) UA nationalist fap to on the internets), and the Donetsk 'Oplot' was only a branch, but somehow it turned out in a surprising way that 'Oplot' became one of the DPR brigades and people actually joined it to fight for their home, unlike the small Akhemtov's security company it used to be.

    When the Slavyansk brigade arrived to Donetsk escaping the UAF encriclement part of the 'Oplot' units joined it under command of DPR Defense Minister Strelkov and fought in difficult fights of July -August 2014, that's when Alexandr Vladimirovich showed himself as a brave soldier fighting the UAF forces near Kozhevnya.

    On August 7th Alexandr Zakharchenko becomes DPR PM (chosen to take the post as both a person with reputation of a brave officer, awarded with the St. George Cross by Igor Strelkov who was one of the most popular figures among people at that time and accepted by the most of commanders then, AND an "Akhmetov's" man, since he used to serve in former (?) Akhmetov's structure).



    Hmm, hmm, hmm, never did quite trust the guy.
    "We say to the workers: 'You will have to go through fifteen, twenty, fifty years of civil wars and international wars, not only in order to change existing conditions, but also in order to change yourselves and fit yourselves for the exercise of political power."'

    MARX (On the Communist Trial at Cologne, 1851).

  10. #30
    The Crimea and the Tatars



    colonelcassad
    September 2, 15:28


    Very entertaining interview with the head of the Bakhchisaray district of Crimea on the mood of the Crimean Tatars and the issues of integration of the Crimean Tatar population in the new Russian reality.

    The head of the Bakhchisaray district of Crimea on the assistance of Tatarstan, the patriotism and the problems of the Republic

    The head of the Bakhchisaray district of Crimea, Chairman of the district Council Refat Zidarov, who refuses to call himself an official, in a candid interview with "Real time" expressed the point of view of a group of Crimean Tatars, have neutral attitude towards the Russian authorities. He admitted that "the people who were falsely accused it is not clear what, of course, will not go on contact", but noted that the Tatars today more than ever many rights and opportunities.

    — The national question in the Crimea discusses the entire world community. At the Congress in Ankara even heard the word "genocide" against the Crimean Tatars. Where speculation here, but where is the truth? Now what is actually happening in Crimea?

    — In Crimea, life is getting better. As the head of the Republic told us, "it must be better, but not worse." So for 10-12 hours a day working, try moving to some finish line. Clearly, the legacy that we inherited, far from the legal field of the Russian Federation, so we will. To help you understand the last time the school was built in 1972, and kindergarten — in 1976. to make roads, you first need to make documents that Ukraine never did. Today with the help of the Republic of Tatarstan is prepared in the school district for 640 people with profound studying of the Crimean Tatar language, two kindergartens will be.

    As for persecution. It is clear that we have opponents, the opposition, as if they themselves nor called, but I call them friends, Crimean Tatars. Today they are talking, but the time will come when they come and you will understand everything. I was with you at the closing (the world championship in water sports 2015 — approx. Corr.), in Kazan, and Europe heard said: "Thank you, Kazan, thank you, Mr Putin, thank you, Russia". Tatarstan, of course, democratic, tolerant Republic, but I think in Crimea such screamers would be booed. And at the same time on "Tatneft Arena" was raised the flag of Ukraine. And I said that, Ukraine has sent its athletes? Yes, sent. I scoured the Internet. And what — they send their athletes to the Republic of Tatarstan, the "occupying country", which is "occupied our Crimea" — they love things to say. I then called the guys and asked what was wrong. They say, "Refat, Oh sports with it here." I say, you know, if I have to hurt, I'm completely offended. And not, that the hand offended, and the eye no.

    — A split of some kind in the nation happened?
    The split occurred. The people who were indiscriminately, all the accused it is not clear what, of course, will not go on contact. Clearly, when it all happened, our leader led policy such that his authority enjoyed by another state, and not the people, in whose name he still does it. Enjoys Ukraine, shared with other. But I believe that a leader should be with his people.

    — In Ankara went Crimean Tatars living to this day on the Peninsula?
    — Went maybe a dozen people. But in their statements, I have not heard of the strike on Russia or the President. There was emphasis on the rights of the people to the language studied, villages to the national title back. These issues have been raised. Although when I hear in Kiev offer a national Autonomous area to make a Crimean Tatar, I think, but what immediately named Ahmet-Khan Sultan in the USA any airport not to call? 23 years did nothing, and now began to actively recognize and love of the Crimean Tatars.

    — Ukraine's policy on the national question has not conducted?
    — See the statement of Yatsenyuk. See the statements of the same Petro Symonenko. See the statements of any of the presidents. Where there was said about the privileges of the Crimean Tatar people? Yatsenyuk cried from the tribune about the land squatting by the Crimean Tatars. But people not from good life went on squatting. And the people were seized not by someone's land, and empty. And second, when the Crimean Tatars returned to Crimea, we don't say "give me the house of my grandfather", we asked for compensation from the state. And did it all by themselves raised. If homes are such large that without loans without loans the people lifted up, this suggests that the people are industrious. The people in their native land. Today all this can be discussed, but you're a patriot, if you left home and ran away? You know, I very well studied the history of Tatarstan. I know that the first President you every Saturday rallies around 50 thousand people gathered and said a lot of things. But he never slammed the door, left with the people. And today we are reaping the fruits, we can see what is happening in Tatarstan. What in the Crimea — a 68-year pipe has not changed, because the Crimea sawed. We waited, new presidents were chosen. Came Yushchenko, a good President, let's vote. Well won, came here, and what? He neither captured not legalized. He did with the Crimean Tatar people did nothing. When we in the 88th year went to the Crimea, we were driving home, and not to Russia, USSR or Ukraine, we went home. And suddenly became the birthplace of Ukraine.

    — How many Crimean Tatars for political reasons left the territory of Crimea?
    — The numbers are very variable. I'll say it, I headed Postovsky the village Council when all this happened. This is one of the largest rural settlements located on the territory of the Bakhchsarai area, there 13 only large settlements. And from up there I know that left one man with a family. Today, I can't say that left a thousand people, ten thousand. But if we left at least a thousand of the Bakhchsarai area, it felt like. Well, no those numbers that say. Because the conflict that is happening right now, this is not a problem of the Crimean Tatar and Ukrainian peoples, we are always in the Ukraine with bread and salt met. This is a policy fight. This is the easiest — to push, to divide and then conquer. And in the Exodus out of the Crimean Tatars I don't believe it would just be visible.

    — Because in the area few people and noticeable change?
    — I live here, and I'm a man is not an armchair, and not the official.

    — Speaking of classrooms, why leave the former head of the district of Ilmi Umerov?
    — I was at his last speech to the people. Saw his videos even under Yanukovych, when he said he was going to serve the people. Aksenov in April 2014 were here, Umerov recognized that Crimea is an integral part of Russia, and Putin is our President. Then it began to be treated in Kazan. And then in August resigned, citing the fact that he didn't want to take the oath. What the point of swearing? If I didn't want to work in the legal field of the Russian Federation, I would after the referendum would come, put the documents and left. Why else would have to work six months? To prepare a disability to retire? Not glued.
    I can see how there was everything before the referendum and after. For the first time in the presence of Ilmi of Rustemovich here at the Palace we spent the day Russia Naryshkin arrived. And today Russia is an occupant. Then it wasn't necessary to do something, if you say that she was a squatter. Or do you only six months later realized that it is the occupier?

    — On the national question that is now at the forefront — political problems or economic?
    — The economic part, the public is today number one. The Maidan or anti-Maidan, people understand, people are not fooled. You can say a lot, but enough talking, let's go home. What's next? Went on the road — no road. The baby in daycare — and no kindergarten, no light, no gas. Well about politics again — the point? I called the Crimean Tatar people to unite and start working. Because today more than ever many rights as never a lot of opportunities. In the format of elections, which was proposed by the Russian Federation, Crimean Tatars elections on the territories of compact residence would have won easy. Come people, showed. Because with the neighboring village will never come the MP in your village to think like you until he is in his village will not do. This is normal here to be offended by a Deputy may not.

    — That is, the problem is that the Crimean Tatars do not want to come into power?
    — Today a lot of things changing. Today, those who once with a large rostrum very loudly, today and they were not against it. Because the return of the Crimea and mainland Russia inspired to work. Now here will build the bridge, and officials from Tatarstan will not disappear. And we have so much potential that Tatarstan will not show. Take mountains, forests. Me when you have the mountain showed, there are 200 meters or 150 meters. I am ashamed, I praise, of course, but if I mount AI-Petri 1 234 meters, what would I say? The potential is huge. We have to work.

    http://realnoevremya.ru/today/13186 - zinc

    PS. About the squatting question was old and sick, given the fact that he has already caused a lot of conflict in Ukraine.
    Actually, you can clearly see the message that they want to live + is the expectation that they will do something, given the fact that Ukraine became nothing. Things like the gasification of villages, construction of new schools and social infrastructure, development of transport network, in such a banal work is much more motivated to work together for development of Crimea than high-sounding slogans.



    PS2. It should also be noted that in the Crimea to the Tatars opened http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mi...11823-y84s.htm Tatar TV channel "millet". After the authorities worked the ATR channel, which in 2014 was against the annexation of Crimea to Russia, this step is quite arose.

    PS3. Also in the Crimea had solved the murder of two Crimean Tatars. Media junta has already been started yelling about repression and genocide, but in reality it turned out to be prosaic.
    Two Tatars brutally serial http://www.vz.ru/politics/2015/8/30/764008.html a citizen of Ukraine on home soil.

    PS4. Plus video of a British war correspondent Graham Phillips from the Crimea to the Tatars.(The video did not 'take')

    https://translate.yandex.com/transla...n&ui=en#cutid1
    "We say to the workers: 'You will have to go through fifteen, twenty, fifty years of civil wars and international wars, not only in order to change existing conditions, but also in order to change yourselves and fit yourselves for the exercise of political power."'

    MARX (On the Communist Trial at Cologne, 1851).

  11. #31
    Tragedy, farce, who the hell can tell?

    LC does not see the danger in the transfer of control of the border Kiev
    4 September 2015 16:29



    LC does not see the danger in the transfer of control of the border Kiev

    Provided a set of measures to implement the Minsk Agreement on the transfer of control of Ukraine's borders will not affect the safety of the LC, if the Republic organizes its security structures, and heads of the respective candidates of law enforcement agencies will be coordinated with the region. This opinion was expressed by an authorized representative at LC Minsk talks Vladislav Dane.

    "I do not think that the restoration of control over the state border from Ukraine somehow affect our security. We must, first of all, to form their own security forces to provide security. With us must be agreed candidate heads of security agencies, which in these work areas, and who will carry out the policy of the Republic in this matter, "

    - he said.

    "But doubt always remain. It all depends on how Ukraine will be able to show themselves true democracy"

    - Said the Dane.

    "Next - a cross-border cooperation, which is fixed in the package of measures on which we should have the right, regardless of the wishes of Ukraine. Transfer of control Ukraine will not we discourage regarding cross-border cooperation, in terms of some cultural and other relations with the Russian Federation . In this respect, I absolutely do not mind this rule here - "closed border"

    - Said the envoy.

    http://dnr-news.com/dnr/24900-lnr-ne...cey-kievu.html
    Deynego, Surkov's puppet, Minsk point-man in LNR: Junta's takeover of LNR border with Russia "will not affect our security." Or your honor. - Vladimir Suchan
    "We say to the workers: 'You will have to go through fifteen, twenty, fifty years of civil wars and international wars, not only in order to change existing conditions, but also in order to change yourselves and fit yourselves for the exercise of political power."'

    MARX (On the Communist Trial at Cologne, 1851).

  12. #32
    Something from the Department of What the Fuck:

    Will Stepan Bandera III Allow Kiev to Destroy the Bandera Legacy?
    Posted on September 3, 2015 by George Eliason
    In a bizarre twist of fate, this article maybe the only warning Stepan Bandera III receives that he really needs to get a running head-start.

    Part of the Ukrainian Diaspora is trying to cast the crowning achievement of his grandfather “the real Stepan Bandera” to the ash-heap of history. This move is geared to crush the hope for freedom of generations of Bandera supporters.

    In an effort to co-opt Ukrainian Nationalism out from under the Bandera brand, emigre nationalist leaders are already starting to refer to Stepan Bandera as a “disgruntled Pollack with a bad sense of direction!” Questions asking if the original Stepan Bandera even visited Ukraine are now being voiced. Most importantly, Stepan Bandera’s honor and commitment are being challenged by Ukrainian Diaspora leaders.

    For Stepan Bandera III, Public Law 86-90 represents the pinnacle of his family history. Shown below, just like North Vietnam, Ukraine did not exist without it. The country called Ukraine only came into being in 1991.

    The Bukovinians, Galicians, Russyans, ethnic Hungarians, and Romanians that make up the “Ukrainian diaspora” all have strong family ties that make up what’s called the Ukrainian emigre world. After supporting Bandera for over 60 years, all have their hopes pinned on the young Bandera to fulfill his grandfathers word and free their families from Poroshenko’s repressive government. The emigres are watching how the situation in West Ukraine pans out very closely.

    Cast into his notorious grandfather’s foot-steps like his father before him, the young Bandera III will most likely succumb to the need of a new Ukrainian hero. Since Kiev is now openly nationalist, it may be necessary to keep Ukrainian nationalism relevant in the Diaspora, and more importantly the US Congress.

    Will the new and improved next generation Bandera martyr for the cause please stand up!

    Keeping Stepan Bandera III’s Work Behind the Scenes and Destroying it

    Having grown up in Canada under the watchful eye of the Ukrainian World Congress, the youngish Stepan Bandera III learned the softer OUNm tradition of Ukrainian nationalism as well as the rigid American OUNb tradition that is shaping post Maidan Ukraine.

    From the mid 1990’s the US and Ukraine have been working together shaping Ukraine into something that resembles a democracy to no avail. If Ukraine wanted to achieve this at any point, who sabotaged it?

    At CUSUR ( Center for US-Ukraine Relations) each step in Ukraine’s progress was plotted. Economics, Military (especially NATO ascension), politics, and agriculture were all areas that measured timetables for national maturity were laid out.

    If you look at every steering committee at CUSUR you will find the name Stepan Bandera as one of the steering committee members moving Ukraine into the European fold.

    This one name appears on all of the steering committees of the CUSUR. As you’ll see in UA Quest Roundtable Steering Committees , that name is Stepan Bandera.

    RTI: Ukraine’s Quest for Mature Nation Statehood Steering Committee–Stepan Bandera.

    RTII: US/Ukraine Strategic Partnership Steering Committee– Stepan Bandera.

    Opposing this and steering Ukraine away from Europe and NATO involvement, other than handouts you will also find perennial keynote speaker Valentin Nalyvaichenko. Nalyvaichenko shared the podium with US Congressmen, Military brass from the Pentagon and NATO, as well as department of State, and Business representatives from America’s largest corporations about integrating Ukraine.

    What Nalyvaichenko actually brought to the table over the past decade was the perspective and demands of Nalyvaichenko’s superior in Tryzub Banderi, Dimitri Yarosh.

    Nalyvaichenko, who seemed to be the right choice based on his credentials became the obstruction and not the bridge to democracy the US government was hoping for.

    In late spring 2015 when asked about Ukrainian intelligence reform he stated openly that Ukraine will follow the OUNb/UPA model and there was no need to pursue a foreign model. The model Nalyvaichenko was referring to was the OUNb SB terror group. The “SB” were known for their murder and torture skills worldwide during the 1950- 60’s.

    This alone would keep Ukraine out of NATO. During his tenure starting under Yushchenko, Nalyvaichenko gave budding speeches abroad while pushing Yarosh’s agenda at home.

    It is an amazing thing that Dimitri Yarosh has maintained a larger voice in Congress pushing his agendas than sitting presidents in Ukraine where ever the opportunity came up.

    To NATO or not to NATO, that is the Question

    After understanding the two sides to the equation, do you need to ask which side is winning? Is it the pro-European Stepan Bandera or the anti- Bandera Maidan factions of Tygnibok, Nalyvaichenko, Yarosh, or Poroshenko?

    Do any of these grade B comic book actors opinions really matter when the decision was made over 10 years ago?

    According to the US Army, Ukraine’s ascension to “the organization (NATO) is restrained by the country’s inability to qualify politically and economically for North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) membership soon.”

    Politically to qualify for NATO membership, a country has to be a democracy and well on its way to having a stable economy. Because of this, NATO doesn’t place a lot of faith in the Ukrainian Nationalists intellectual capacity to develop into a member state. –U.S.-UKRAINE MILITARY RELATIONS AND THE VALUE OF INTEROPERABILITY Leonid I. Polyakov December 2004

    NO NATO For You!

    In the same monograph, current Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter and Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski described the inability to rely on Ukraine’s nationalist intellectual heritage to right the problem.

    In a word, according to both men, snowballs have a better chance of surviving hell than a Ukrainian nationalist understanding Democracy or much else going on in the world around them. Describing Kiev’s ability to the understand the world it lived in prior to Maidan under then president Victor Yuschenko:

    “It (Ukraine’s nationalist government)was intellectually decapitated as a matter of deliberate policy during the Stalin years and beyond so that the most able and energetic Ukrainians were either killed or magnetically attracted to Moscow and Russified.” Zbigniew Brzezinski, “Ukraine and Europe,” Fulfilling the Promise: Building an Enduring Security Partnership Between Ukraine and NATO, Ashton B. Carter, Steven E. Miller, and Elizabeth Sherwood-Randall, eds., The Stanford-Harvard Preventive Defense Project, 1999, pp. 33-34.”

    Why are smart Ukrainians magnetically drawn toward Moscow?

    “The nationalists insisted on the primacy of will over reason, action over thought, and practice over theory. Their doctrine of nationalism was[is] infused with aspects of the irrational, voluntaristic, and vitalistic theories…In the place of objective scientific discovery the nationalists propagated myths and favored an ideologically ‘correct’ image of the Ukrainian past. They promoted a cult of the struggle and reverence for national martyrs…”-Ukrainian Encyclopedia

    The intellectuals probably reasoned that they would eventually be killed because they liked mundane things like literature, mathematics, science, problem solving, or quite possibly building a country they could be proud of.

    Prior to 1991 Western Ukraine had an industrial base. When the Ukrainian nationalists took over in Kiev, industry outside Russia leaning areas died. Southeast Ukraine and primarily Donbass became the centers of technical knowledge and manufacturing power for Ukraine.

    The Nationalism article in the Ukrainian Encyclopedia was written by former Waffen SS officers that became Ukrainian Nationalist scholars at leading universities in the west further states that Ukrainian Nationalists have no concept of socio-economic solutions because of their ideology.

    The rich and powerful take it all….yep, that’s about as far as they went with building a state economy.

    Going further and rubbing salt deep into wounds Maidan inflicted on Ukraine, the US Army monograph just won’t give the poor Banderites any slack.

    Given that Ukrainians themselves had a rather limited ability to present their historical arguments[that’s gotta hurt, seriously], their influence on U.S. foreign policy prior to becoming independent was also limited, being realized only through émigré circles.

    The above-mentioned dominant perceptions of Ukrainians as “unpredictable and dangerous nationalists” were very likely behind the logic of the famous speech in August 1991 by U.S. President George Bush…[Americans] will not aid those who promote a suicidal nationalism based on ethnic hatred.” Such warning naturally surprised Ukrainians and ignited protests and demonstrations from the Ukrainian Diaspora in the United States.

    As Director of the CIA ex-President Bush dealt extensively with the Ukrainian emigres and knew they were still the rabid nationalists they always were. When Ukraine became a nation in 1991, the caveat was the American faction which is entirely Bandera Nationalists would take a back seat to the OUNm groups softer form of nationalism.

    Punctuating the OUNb intellectual tradition at Maidan was giving Andrei Parubi the Secretary of Defense position for post Maidan Ukraine. Mr. Parubi who exemplifies the Ukrainian nationalist intellectual tradition was one of the founders of the Svoboda party and an ideologist for it.

    He was forced to resign the Ukrainian Defense Ministry the day after his grade school IQ results were released.

    President Poroshenko’s Official Response

    Petro Poroshenko’s official response to all this was education reform. He cut the high school graduation age by two years and two full grades. Imagine letting loose the average American high school freshman on the world at 15 years of age. They can be drafted. They can work. They graduated! Won’t American kids be jealous?

    Right now Poroshenko is poised to take the EU by storm as the new improved education system is set to provide the most competitive priced day labor on the continent.

    Beyond that by finally legalizing the organ trade that Ukraine has been cited for as a world leader in, Ukrainian kids will always have a way to make an extra hryvnia or two.

    The Ukrainian nationalists running the government and the Ukrainian war remind me of a rabid version of MTV’s Beavis and Butthead, even if they are a bit more intellectually challenged.

    Will Europe catch up and comes to grips with the fact that Zbigniew Brzezinski, Henry Kissinger, Secretary Ashton Carter, and the US Army War College are on the same page concerning the violently anti- intellectual and demented nature of Ukrainian Nationalists ruling in Kiev?

    The appointment of Secretary Carter should signal to the world that short of the entire US Government undergoing a total frontal lobotomy, the US has little interest in defending Kiev’s violent “Idiocracy.”

    Given the facts and all the fake Russian invasions NATO General Phillip Breedlove is forced to lie about, I no longer wonder if he cries into his pillow at night.

    Public LAW 86-90 Its all about UKRAINE BABY!

    The 2004 Army Monograph which was funded by the US Army War College External Research Associates Program admits the unthinkable. Are you ready?

    Ukraine, in the same vein as North Vietnam, and Cossackia did not exist outside Public Law 86-90 until 1991. Yes, its true! Like North Vietnam or a Cossackia, “the Ukraine” recognized by the US existed first in the mind of Stepan Bandera! The reference in the monograph is to the almost but not quite government of Simon Petlura, but Bandera’s legitimacy had to stem from some source no matter how shaky.

    From the Monograph-

    “In the 20th century’s Soviet period, this took the form of the destruction of Ukraine’s attempts to become independent during the civil war of 1917-20;…”

    This same monograph written by a retired Ukrainian Army Colonel recognizes Ukraine’s nationalist attempt at nation forming as having failed. It also recognizes the reality of former Cossack nations in Southeast Ukraine’s Donbass and Zaporozhye.

    This actually means Donbass has a stronger claim to existence than the new country called Ukraine, first realized in 1991,overthrown, and again a new country in 2014.

    Run! Stepan Bandera III Run!

    The move has been on for a while to kick Stepan Bandera to the curbside. This generation’s nationalists can’t quite grab for the limelight under the glare of the long dead nazi thug. Claiming the Bandera mantle, Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk, Lyashko, and Yarosh all need to become “the leader” and move out from under the long Nationalist shadow that Bandera casts over post- Maidan Ukraine. Poroshenko’s inability to gain an easy victory over Donbass has made both him and Yatzi a shoo in for a different kind of tie during the next coup.

    “Nevertheless, Bandera was an unusual cult hero; after all, he had lived for most of his life outside Ukraine in Poland and Germany. During World War II, he was under house arrest and, although espousing a ‘revolutionary’ ideology, never returned to Soviet Ukraine to join the armed underground in the 1940s where it had been led by Mykola Lebed, Roman Shukhevych, and Vasyl Kuk in 1941-1952. Indeed, why did Bandera, the alleged ‘revolutionary,’ not return to the revolution in his homeland?”- Contemporary Nationalism in Ukraine: Why we need a Broader Analytical Framework Taras Kuzio Center for Transatlantic Relations, School of Advanced International Relations, Johns Hopkins University, Washington DC

    Yarosh was hand picked by the last of the 1st generation Banderites, Slava Stetsko. The Pravy Sektor core group Tryzub, was originally put together as her private army. He’s made it clear that he’d rather destroy what’s left of Ukraine than unite the region by extending “democratic freedoms.” By protecting the the rights of the smaller republics that make up Ukraine, he could have protected its unity and the Stepan Bandera legacy.

    Tryzub Banderi, according to the Taras Kuzio article has supported presidents ranging from Kuchma to Yushchenko which shows how prevalent this Bandera brand has been in Ukraine. Kuzio also reminds the reader that Dimiti Yarosh’s Tryzub was founded as an SBU project. Remember, behind the SBU’s Nalyvaichenko is Tryzub’s DimitiYarosh.

    For any of them to be historically successful, Ukrainian nationalist history shows their “obvious competition” must end up a martyr for the masses or an enemy of the state.

    The Ukrainian nationalists inside Ukraine have been so destructive to the State and emigre reputations that the Ukrainian emigres are even looking outside nationalist circles for a figure that can unite Ukraine once again.

    Alexey Mozgovoy, Seriously?

    That’s right, Ukraine’s homegrown anti-bandera has been mentioned in comments by a Ukrainian emigre nationalist leader as a figure that can unite Ukraine. George Mazni, former UCCA Arizona president wrote praises to the memory of Alexey Mozgovoy in comments to the article “US Congress and President Obama Officially Recognize Donbas’ Freedom!” at OpEdNews.com.

    Mazni, whose UCCA tenure was at the end of the cold war had a government in exile position akin to a US state governor for the emigre world. He has a very informed opinion when giving insight into the politics of the emigres. Mazni went further to state that if the Cossack Commander Alexey Mozgovoy of Prizrak(Ghost) Battalion were alive he might consider “Cossackia” a legitimate undertaking. I agree wholeheartedly this would be a good move.

    One of the biggest open secrets of the war is that commanders from both sides get together for Tet-a-tets regularly and have tea. Alexey Mozgovy’s Prizrak pioneered this effort. The one thing both sides agree on is that neither of them can stand the punisher battalions the emigres are currently funding. Battalions like Aidar, Azov, Pravy Sektor, Kiev Rus, and IGIL/ISIL constantly fire on both the Ukrainian Army as well as the towns and cities, breaking the truce.

    The discussions range from how they don’t want to kill each other because they are one people, to marching on Kiev together, and of course destroying the punisher battalions outright. They certainly have enough military hardware at the contact line to chase the neo-nazi battalions close to the Polish border.

    Both Presidents of DNR and LNR are Cossacks and naturally hold higher positions than did Commander Mozgovoy. Since this is the case, under Mazni’s scenario, Petro Poroshenko needs to sit and discuss the situation with them. Since the Cossacks have been put up at least tentatively as the saviors of a united Ukraine, Poroshenko should follow the instructions Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky give him about rebuilding the nation very carefully.

    The American emigre’s are going to need to make a concession. Every statue of Stepan Bandera or Shukhevych in the USA needs to be torn down. Statues to WWII Nazi SS are not acceptable on US soil and violate Federal law. From Glenbrook, NY, to Phoenix, Chicago, NYC, Boston, Philadelphia and the other major cities, the monuments that glorify Nazism in America must be destroyed. The war time Nazi leadership buried in Bondbrook, NJ should be exhumed. The other nationalist emigres will need to follow suit.

    A day later, realizing his UCCA informed opinion would end up in print, Mr. Mazni very unsuccessfully tried to back track proving Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter assumptions about nationalists to be quite correct.

    Assassinating Bandera

    The only thing this generation’s Bandera needs to do to survive for now is absolutely nothing and accept the caveat he has been handed. Ukraine has asked the Roman Catholic Pontiff to canonize Stepan Bandera, which will never happen. Picture “Saint Stepan Bandera” saint of our former and latter Holocaust? Saint of we kill everybody? Saint of nazis everywhere?

    Of course given Ukrainian nationalists love affair with self destruction, as soon as “a leader” is established or changed out Maidan style, that is all subject to change.

    Toward the mid-1950’s the CIA wrote a white paper predicting who would kill Stepan Bandera. There were only seven possibilities. The CIA named the US at the top of the list and the Soviet Union second. The problem was neither country knew where Bandera was. Only five men in the world did. Only one had anything substantial to gain from it. He gained everything. He was third on the list. His hand picked successor is one of the horses in the heir to Bandera race.

    The KGB had to have been given the address to find the worlds most elusive terrorist by someone. Linked innocuously to one of my earlier articles, the paper really sheds light on the level of betrayal that characterizes the OUN and emigre leadership. As much as Secretary Ashton Carter thinks it will make their heads hurt, nationalists can look through and research the paper’s location themselves.

    Will Stepan Bandera III stand up for the the people that supported his grandfather and whose relatives make up the diaspora? Will he give his voice for their right to live safe from Poroshenko’s persecution? Will he join his father as one of the unfortunate or unlucky Banderas? Or will he stay out of history and be remembered as that mediocre bartender with a funny name who made an adequate 7&7?
    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/...ra-legacy.html

    I really don't know what to make of this.
    "We say to the workers: 'You will have to go through fifteen, twenty, fifty years of civil wars and international wars, not only in order to change existing conditions, but also in order to change yourselves and fit yourselves for the exercise of political power."'

    MARX (On the Communist Trial at Cologne, 1851).

  13. #33
    I really don't know what to make of this.
    This IS confusing. I thought Bandera was the darling of the Nazis. But according to this, Bandera is looked upon as some kind of dim-whit troll and not a "Ukrainian" at all. The implication being that the Svoboda is anti-Bandera and Right Sector is pro? I have no idea. One thing is for sure, no way was Mozgovoy in any way a "nationalist", Cossack or otherwise. This strikes me as being a lot of hooey; there may be droplets of fact and truth in there, but a lot of it is just fast talking - unless I have completely missed the boat (very possible)...
    "America was never great"

    "Anyone who analyzes the state of affairs in the world will find that it is the imperialists and capitalists, who subject the world to the worst poverty, the worst backwardness, and they are simply the scourge of mankind." - Fidel

    "Privilege begets psychopathy" - blindpig

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Dhalgren View Post
    This IS confusing. I thought Bandera was the darling of the Nazis. But according to this, Bandera is looked upon as some kind of dim-whit troll and not a "Ukrainian" at all. The implication being that the Svoboda is anti-Bandera and Right Sector is pro? I have no idea. One thing is for sure, no way was Mozgovoy in any way a "nationalist", Cossack or otherwise. This strikes me as being a lot of hooey; there may be droplets of fact and truth in there, but a lot of it is just fast talking - unless I have completely missed the boat (very possible)...
    I think you're right, disinformation.
    "We say to the workers: 'You will have to go through fifteen, twenty, fifty years of civil wars and international wars, not only in order to change existing conditions, but also in order to change yourselves and fit yourselves for the exercise of political power."'

    MARX (On the Communist Trial at Cologne, 1851).

  15. #35
    News of Donbass
    today at 5:18 am
    Zakharchenko: "Any way to resolve the conflict in the Donbass, except Minsk format will result in needless deaths, destruction, economic collapse. This was announced today on the anniversary of the signing of the Minsk protocol said the Head of the DNI Alexander Zakharchenko." Reasonable alternative to a political solution of the conflict within the Minsk talks there. All other versions will inevitably lead to a senseless death, destruction, economic collapse. Today, the most reasonable - is to find the will - the human will, the political - and continue to force Ukraine to comply fully with all points of the Minsk Agreement, "- said the head of the DNI in a statement received by DAN. ""

    http://vk.com/vosto4nuy_front?w=wall...480d27764390b3

    Google Translator
    "We say to the workers: 'You will have to go through fifteen, twenty, fifty years of civil wars and international wars, not only in order to change existing conditions, but also in order to change yourselves and fit yourselves for the exercise of political power."'

    MARX (On the Communist Trial at Cologne, 1851).

  16. #36
    Changes in the leadership of the DNI



    colonelcassad
    September 5, 0:16


    Recently I wrote that soon there will be at the top of the DNI reshuffle. The wait did not last long. Resign "left" Purgin.

    The head of the People's Council DNI Alexandrov wanted by

    Chief of Staff of the People's Council of the self-proclaimed People's Republic of Donetsk Alexei Alexandrov wanted. On it informs RIA "Novosti" with reference to the source.
    "Alexandrov on the wanted list," - said the source.
    In addition, a number of media reported the detention of the former head of Parliament DNI Andrew Purgina and his wife, but the source denied it, stressing that Purgin located in Donetsk and not limited in the actions.
    Earlier it was reported that Dennis Pushilin appointed acting chairman of the National Council of the DNI. http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2015/0 9/04 / n_7555427.shtml - Zinc The DNR confirmed the resignation and appointment of Purgina head of the People's Council Pushilin People's Council of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic has decided to dismiss the Speaker Andrew Purgina Acting chairman of the parliament appointed Vice-Speaker Dennis Pushilin. Reported Donetsk news agency referring to the press service of the parliament. "The decision on the resignation of Andrei Purgina as chairman was taken at a meeting of the Council of People's Deputies overwhelmingly. Acting chairman appointed Denis Pushilin "- noted in the National Council. According Pushilin, Purgin was influenced by Chief of Staff of the People's Council DNI Alexei Alexandrov, who was making statements that are not consistent with the policies DNR. Earlier it was reported that Alexander is wanted. Http: / /www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2015/0 9/04 / n_7555535.shtml - zinc Purgina today blocked at the border and were not allowed in the DNI, which led to postupvshim throughout the day allegations of a coup d'etat in the DNI. With regard to who is the better, as for me Purgin Pushilin preferable, although not a fan of either one or the other. As usual personnel changes in the DNI is very far from democratic procedures. http://chervonec-001.livejournal.com/848 438 .html - on the events of the day from a friend of ducats (later in the day I was busy, it was not until the blog). PS. As far as I know, this is not the last change that will occur in the foreseeable future. It is important to understand one thing, the current level of control over polit.protsessami Donetsk is that independently and on their own without the knowledge of Moscow, such processes do not occur. Regarding the question on "drained - Do not drain, "plum marker will" increase "Khodakovsky. Other candidates represent other scenarios.

    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2369549.html

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    About the situation with the Purgin



    colonelcassad
    September 5, 3:44


    At the request of the workers, I elaborate on a little bit on the situation Purgin.

    1. Regarding the allegations about anti-constitutional coup and a violation of the norms of law. You guys had fallen from the moon? In the DNI and LC in the same way as in Kiev, has long existed a puppet regime. Some depend on Moscow, the other from the Washington decision to change those or other persons, or occur in the decision-making procedure, or after a serious prior consultation, on which our party leadership of the republic is constantly riding to Moscow or Rostov, and Ukrainian "manual" in the Washington not to strain or to the owners, the American ambassador. This is to better understand the difference between real politics and the fictitious picture in the media.

    2. Filmed whether Pushilin Purgina on your own? Do not tell. Pushilin not have due power resources. The real military power in the country is the People's Militia Corps, not the MO DNR, as someone might think. Or do you seriously believe in complete independence MGB DNI (which itself goes under check)? When people talk about blocking the "siloviki", it's kind of not quite simple security forces, "that is not there." The media of course you show a decent sign.

    3. So, of course, without the authorization from Moscow to replace Purgina Pushilna would not have happened. How have noticed synchronized performance of federal media, information support permutations more than it appears, including an easy and quite haunting PR Pushilin that curators apparently regarded as the most manageable and handy man, because of the lack of clear guidelines and cloudy past, to which convenient to hang.

    4. Regarding the violation of democracy. It affects people's short memory. Even apparently forgotten how by Zakharchenko and Purgina flexes past the Supreme Council as from the elections actually uncoupled Communists hobble the former speaker of Litvinov, squeezed out of local politics Gubarev, not to mention the "Kurginyan-style" combat Strelkov and his supporters in the DNI . Purgin gesheftopoluchateley was one of these processes along with Pushilin and a number of others. Just now, the situation has changed and Purgin not become necessary and it comes just as some leaders last fall.

    5. Regarding democracy. As I wrote last year, refusing to wage a resolute struggle against the oligarchs, "We are not Communists" (c) Boroday path unrecognized formations, is the path of petty bourgeois republics, and in a war they will be high attraction to authoritarianism. While maintaining the oligarchy (especially Akhmetov is - and do remember, as I have expressed in the past year, what do you write about Akhmetov Akhmetov gave you this), will seek to maintain its influence in the country. The same Akhmetov could push their people to certain positions in the DNI and thus protect their interests, which extend in relation to the protection of his property (what he did the same Khodakovsky) and maintaining contact with Moscow (which in September last year, as evidenced by Boroday led to the abandonment of the capture of Mariupol, when the city had to just go, because there was only one battalion, without heavy weapons), which ensure political survival.

    6. Remember how two months ago Purgin refuted General Petrovsky (who recorded in the "enemies of the NPT") http://novorossy.ru/news/purgin-oproverg ayet-petrovskogo Well those events have already happened and is happening they will be including around person of the current head of DNR, and therefore more than likely continue to personnel changes within the country. In this regard, General Petrovsky certainly well informed about the real situation in the republics. Plans of these changes were not born today, and certainly not the initiator of Pushilin, Pushilin here no more than mid-level performer, so about the "coup Pushilin" funny to read.

    7. Regarding the role of Akhmetov, in view of the weakening of the circuit Khodakovsky and MGB to the curators, it is unlikely to go about establishing Akhmetov control over the republic. Maximum Akhmetov - is a guarantee of ownership and business opportunities, as well as the availability of conditional "quota" of their people in government DNI. This will give him the opportunity to have a limited impact on the political processes in the country, which will ensure the survival of his pretty skukozhilas business empire. The moment Akhmetov could throw off the boat as ballast of the past has been irretrievably lost as early as 2014. Strengthening the position of Akhmetov and Khodakovsky (as one of the representatives of their interests) is possible only if the decision "to curtail the situation in Donbas" and will be discussed on a strategic retreat Russia in Ukraine. Currently implemented a slightly different course.

    8. Regarding my personal relationship. And Purgin Pushilin and activity of the conductors were "Minsk course." Since I "Ming course" never supported, for me it is nothing more than a rearrangement of the party contingent "peacekeepers". As probably the reader will recall, in my blog almost no advertising these people, I have in the war in the Donbas several others heroes - Arrows, Brainstorm, Bezler, Peter, the poor, Gubarev etc. In this respect, I am not gloating or wring their hands in hysterics. The permutations were expected, they have taken place judging by what has happened clumsy (probably the reason some haste - there is information that Purgin tried to meet with Volodin, to replay the scenario in DNI), precipitating events. The very same process was controlled character. Tales about what Pushilin secret from the curators carried out the coup leave the nursery kindergarten.

    9. Regarding questions as this will affect the course of Minsk and the situation in the Donbass region in general. At the moment, nothing. The main nerve of the conflict as before in the absence of an agreement between the US and Russia on the future of Ukraine and Russia's place in the future. So as a compromise at the moment no, DNR and LC as before following the path neprizannyh States. Another attempt to reach an agreement between Moscow and Washington will be made ​​during Putin's visit to the United States. Given that Russia openly threatened sanctions for attempting to hold elections in the DNI and LC, if the contract does not work (and the probability of this is very high due to the categorical line of Washington), Russia in mid-September, will return to the already familiar fork solutions http: / /colonelcassad.livejournal.com/161 8496.html As the supporters of the "Minsk course" now dominate, then we will continue to watch is not quite adequate "Minsk rhetoric." This line as performed Purgin and will be carried out without it. Judging by the media picture in the media will be implemented by setting "Detachment did not notice the loss fighter."

    10. It does not rule out the possibility that Purgin and his fellow men can find some support in high offices in Moscow and save Purgina politics DNI. Perhaps someone from the opponents Surkov wants to play the card Purgina. If not, then Purgina waiting for the fate of other well-known "retirees." Well, so look forward to continue personnel changes. Regarding the conversation about the drain, then, as was noted earlier that the real, not virtual sink can be measured by a number of characteristic markers - to control the border (control of the republic / controls the junta), for the PX (running / not running) on the role Khodakovsky well and possible mate Zakharchenko, if he "goes on the disease." At the moment, the republic continued to follow the path of the unrecognized state formations. As before, I believe that in the Donbass in Ukraine will not be back.

    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2370039.html

    Google Translator
    "We say to the workers: 'You will have to go through fifteen, twenty, fifty years of civil wars and international wars, not only in order to change existing conditions, but also in order to change yourselves and fit yourselves for the exercise of political power."'

    MARX (On the Communist Trial at Cologne, 1851).

  17. #37
    Latest news DNI and LC

    Regarding yesterday's events associated with Andrei Purgin
    05.09.2015 11:31

    On September 4, at the extraordinary session of the National Council of the NPT, its chairman Andrew Purgin was dismissed. Acting speaker was Denis Pushilin. According to the latter, Purgin "has taken a number of political statements that are inconsistent with the policy of the whole country." On the eve of an extraordinary meeting of the People's Council gathered Donetsk People's Republic. The press was not allowed into the hall, and after a while it became known that the overwhelming majority was dismissed Speaker of the republican parliament Andrei Purgin. The Acting Chairman was elected vice-speaker and plenipotentiary of the DNI in the tripartite talks on the settlement of the contact group in the Donbass Denis Pushilin. "Voted almost unanimously and Purgina resignation and the appointment of the acting chairman of the National Council Pushilin. Abstaining two or three members. The motivation was destructive work Purgina "- he told RIA Novosti deputy, who participated in the meeting. Soon he Pushilin said that for the resignation Purgina voted 70 deputies of the 73's.

    http://xn--b1agnmepo8d.xn--p1ai/178929

    Google Translator

    ***************************************

    Head of the Public Council: Pushilin discredits authority in DNI
    SEPTEMBER 4, 2015 19:06


    Donetsk, September 4. What is happening today in the DNI around the Speaker of the National Council of Andrei Purgina and the people around him can result in a threat to the security of the republic, said the head of the Public Council of DNI Alexei Alexandrov, which this morning while trying to cross the border DNI detained together with the Chairman of the People's Council Andrei Purgin republic.

    Alexander told reporters that the prohibition of entry they announced deputy minister of state security DNI. He referred to the order of the deputy chairman of the People's Council Pushilin Denis, was not informed of the reasons for the ban.

    "Actually, if I may come with the head of the Public Council, say that they can do with a simple man, if he is someone does not like it?" - Outraged the head of the unit.

    Alexandrov noted that today is solved, what will be the parliament in the future. "This morning Pushilin first ran for parliament and decided that he and slippers - and here he is Chairman of the Board and the Minister of the MGB. Generally, even directly from the individual Pushilin, this problem may someday result in a threat to national security, and there should be serious work of our lawyers, in order to prevent the unit usurpation of power ", - said Alexander.

    Today's events can be a point of no return to positive results, which gave the Revolution, to the self-esteem of citizens DNI, the politician believes. According to him, the situation turns into a counter-revolution, whose purpose - to turn people "into the machine for the extraction of several types of money."

    Alexandrov said that Pushilin discredits the entire leadership of the DNI. He added that the head of the republic Alexander Zakharchenko most likely does not know about what happened, but when he will report about it, certainly intervene.

    According to recent reports, Alexander and Purgin managed to get into the NPT, they are now together with the deputies go to Donetsk, the agency "New Russia".

    Recall Andrei Purgin and Alexei Alexandrov, returning from a working trip, were detained at the border with Russia for unknown reasons this past morning. Later they were allowed into the territory of the NPT after the intervention of the People's Council deputies of the NPT, but then again detained by armed men in military uniform on the road from the border point "Uspenka" in Donetsk.

    At the same time there were reports that the Deputy Chairman of the People's Council Denis Pushilin allegedly made Purgina offset from the position of the speaker, relying on his loyal MPs DNI. However, sources FAN Donetsk denied the reports, calling them a "provocation" and "an injection of information" in order to destabilize the situation.

    http://riafan.ru/395835-glava-appara...t-vlast-v-dnr/

    Google Translator
    "We say to the workers: 'You will have to go through fifteen, twenty, fifty years of civil wars and international wars, not only in order to change existing conditions, but also in order to change yourselves and fit yourselves for the exercise of political power."'

    MARX (On the Communist Trial at Cologne, 1851).

  18. #38
    I did not want to write anything on the subject of the first anniversary of the Minsk collusion, but the news from the territory of Donbass today basically it is about her. "... Any way to resolve the conflict in the Donbass, except Minsk format will lead to a senseless death, destruction, economic collapse ... "(Zakharchenko. oration on the first anniversary of the Minsk collusion. 05/09/2015) At the time rewind puttee - save the leg. This is practically the first science is taught in the army. Abilities Alexander Zakharchenko pereobuvatsya on the fly any envy honored Sgt. Have no Mariupol, the boundaries of regions, Kyiv and Lviv. Only Minsk.





    Propaganda, trying to explain to the electorate are Minsk betrayal, when the August offensive had been stopped immediately after the ultimately collapsed remains of the combat capability of the Kiev punitive and could push the front line away from the Donetsk and Lugansk, release Mariupol, Slavyansk and require Poroshenko Truce brand other positions, in general, propaganda invented a lot of things, but the main thing - is that the Minsk agreement - this is such a trick, a meaningless scrap of paper. "We need the whole of Ukraine", - they said. What we some of Mariupol. You do not understand all Nichrome brilliant ideas, but we are attached to the sacred knowledge and we prophesy to you about it. A year has passed. Thousands of people were killed. "Alternatives to the Minsk Agreement no." I wonder - how Zakharchenko will look into the eyes of his countrymen later. It is clear that he personally hoped to escape - well-off people can afford. But someone on the street, he will be facing. Will proshmygivat past and pretend that it is not he? So in fact, too, it will be difficult to escape - who needs it? Yes, even with the knowledge of different dirty details? I personally can not understand the motives of people who are now leading the case for final delivery. With very few exceptions for them the future will be no lighter than for the millions of loyal people. They do not take even the overseers at the concentration camp, which will be transformed Donbass. It is clear that all of them held at various hooks, use stupidity or just cheating - but some basic rudiments of the mind must still be present? Yesterday's events in Donetsk, saying that the time had not, the curators in a hurry, there is no opportunity to comply with at least the appearance that everything is going as it should. In general, the special need to hide what is happening anymore - militia silent and will remain silent, even if it is to hunt with his bare hands in the attack. The population of Donbass concerned only one desire - to survive, and so he has all the same: they will be under some bandits or under other - the difference, in fact, no. So you can already do without politeness. Partner and Petro Poroshenko, one of Moscow was not slow to respond to the commendable behavior of Donetsk puppets, saying in a speech to the National Academy of the Prosecutor's Office, "the good news": "... Today is the week when the front does not apply heavy artillery, exactly one week when there was quenched by the Ukrainian position, exactly a week when we have a real ceasefire, despite the fact that the provocative attacks from small arms are still there ..., alternative arrangements Minsk does not exist ... "The impression Zakharchenko that Poroshenko and wrote the text of the same people. Touching unity firing squad and executed. In principle, the withdrawal of one occurring. The Kremlin and Kiev claim "people's republic" and go in this sacred event for yourself at the finish line. Russian volunteers and militias to leave. Akhmetov plants die for - not the best motif, but it is not the other left. Russia, in general, is not the best place to leave - just because the Kremlin and Kiev - two partners for the extermination of Russian Donbass. Colleagues of hard work. But to stay - it is guaranteed to go under the knife. In Russia, they have at least a chance.

    http://el-murid.livejournal.com/2501493.html

    Google Translator
    "We say to the workers: 'You will have to go through fifteen, twenty, fifty years of civil wars and international wars, not only in order to change existing conditions, but also in order to change yourselves and fit yourselves for the exercise of political power."'

    MARX (On the Communist Trial at Cologne, 1851).

  19. #39
    Newsline Donetsk People's Republic of
    today at 6:47 am
    DNR to show mercy to the defeated army deceived and Ukraine, signed the "Minsk-1" - Zakharchenko year ago DNI invited Ukraine to the world without becoming wrecked finish the Ukrainian army. This was announced today on the anniversary of the signing of the protocol, said head of the Minsk DNI Alexander Zakharchenko. "When a year ago we agreed to start negotiations with Kiev, we were determined to find a peaceful, bloodless solution to the conflict. I note that when we launched a series of defeats Kiev butchers - have been released Saur-Grave was Ilovajskij "pot". The enemy was defeated and demoralized. We show mercy, did not destroy the bloodless occupation, did not take away the life of Ukrainians, deceived his government. We offered the world "- said the head of the DNI, in a statement received by DAN. According to him, the position has not changed Donetsk. "We are still looking for options to achieve a peaceful settlement of the conflict", - he said. At the heart of a peaceful solution to the conflict in the Donbass lie Minsk agreement of the Contact Group on the fifth, 20 September 2014 and 12 February 2015 ("Minsk-1"). For the first time the group had agreed on a peace plan and a cease-fire agreement in the second - has adopted a memorandum on the implementation of the ceasefire. February 12 signed a package of measures to implement the agreements Minsk. It involves an immediate and comprehensive ceasefire in the Donbass 15 February, the withdrawal of heavy weapons, the establishment of a security zone, discuss modalities resumption of payment of benefits and pensions residents DNI and LC, as well as the constitutional reform in Ukraine, the result of which should be a profound decentralization of public administration. DAN

    http://vk.com/newsdnr?w=wall-6989176...8e3ae53b759995

    Google Translator

    'Sucker' is the kindest thing I might say, but I think it much worse.
    "We say to the workers: 'You will have to go through fifteen, twenty, fifty years of civil wars and international wars, not only in order to change existing conditions, but also in order to change yourselves and fit yourselves for the exercise of political power."'

    MARX (On the Communist Trial at Cologne, 1851).

  20. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by blindpig View Post
    I did not want to write anything on the subject of the first anniversary of the Minsk collusion, but the news from the territory of Donbass today basically it is about her. "... Any way to resolve the conflict in the Donbass, except Minsk format will lead to a senseless death, destruction, economic collapse ... "(Zakharchenko. oration on the first anniversary of the Minsk collusion. 05/09/2015) At the time rewind puttee - save the leg. This is practically the first science is taught in the army. Abilities Alexander Zakharchenko pereobuvatsya on the fly any envy honored Sgt. Have no Mariupol, the boundaries of regions, Kyiv and Lviv. Only Minsk.





    Propaganda, trying to explain to the electorate are Minsk betrayal, when the August offensive had been stopped immediately after the ultimately collapsed remains of the combat capability of the Kiev punitive and could push the front line away from the Donetsk and Lugansk, release Mariupol, Slavyansk and require Poroshenko Truce brand other positions, in general, propaganda invented a lot of things, but the main thing - is that the Minsk agreement - this is such a trick, a meaningless scrap of paper. "We need the whole of Ukraine", - they said. What we some of Mariupol. You do not understand all Nichrome brilliant ideas, but we are attached to the sacred knowledge and we prophesy to you about it. A year has passed. Thousands of people were killed. "Alternatives to the Minsk Agreement no." I wonder - how Zakharchenko will look into the eyes of his countrymen later. It is clear that he personally hoped to escape - well-off people can afford. But someone on the street, he will be facing. Will proshmygivat past and pretend that it is not he? So in fact, too, it will be difficult to escape - who needs it? Yes, even with the knowledge of different dirty details? I personally can not understand the motives of people who are now leading the case for final delivery. With very few exceptions for them the future will be no lighter than for the millions of loyal people. They do not take even the overseers at the concentration camp, which will be transformed Donbass. It is clear that all of them held at various hooks, use stupidity or just cheating - but some basic rudiments of the mind must still be present? Yesterday's events in Donetsk, saying that the time had not, the curators in a hurry, there is no opportunity to comply with at least the appearance that everything is going as it should. In general, the special need to hide what is happening anymore - militia silent and will remain silent, even if it is to hunt with his bare hands in the attack. The population of Donbass concerned only one desire - to survive, and so he has all the same: they will be under some bandits or under other - the difference, in fact, no. So you can already do without politeness. Partner and Petro Poroshenko, one of Moscow was not slow to respond to the commendable behavior of Donetsk puppets, saying in a speech to the National Academy of the Prosecutor's Office, "the good news": "... Today is the week when the front does not apply heavy artillery, exactly one week when there was quenched by the Ukrainian position, exactly a week when we have a real ceasefire, despite the fact that the provocative attacks from small arms are still there ..., alternative arrangements Minsk does not exist ... "The impression Zakharchenko that Poroshenko and wrote the text of the same people. Touching unity firing squad and executed. In principle, the withdrawal of one occurring. The Kremlin and Kiev claim "people's republic" and go in this sacred event for yourself at the finish line. Russian volunteers and militias to leave. Akhmetov plants die for - not the best motif, but it is not the other left. Russia, in general, is not the best place to leave - just because the Kremlin and Kiev - two partners for the extermination of Russian Donbass. Colleagues of hard work. But to stay - it is guaranteed to go under the knife. In Russia, they have at least a chance.

    http://el-murid.livejournal.com/2501493.html

    Google Translator
    I think el Murid is saying that the People's Republics could defeat the Ukes right now, flat=out, but they are not doing so (I think that is what the drunken translator is saying?) What I couldn't get was who he is blaming. The 'leadership' of the Republics or the Kremlin or both?
    "America was never great"

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    "Privilege begets psychopathy" - blindpig

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