I think your analogy is all wet...
They're fine. They have to be fine otherwise there wouldn't be this orchestrated attack on them where ever the case is made. Attacks used to take place at DU but not they're moving. Accept the truth, you're working against the cause of election fraud by fragmenting the tiny community on this issue. You could make a difference by getting over this but you choose not to. So be it!
Very masochistic and you're right
Very masochistic indeed and you're right, that'll see you outta here ;)
Big ole picture of your buddy Blair on the homepage as a war criminal and in you come anyway :shrug: At least you knew in advance that you weren't going to last here.
RE: Very masochistic and you're right
She has said elsewhere that she is not much of a Blair supporter at all and like most in the labour party voted tactically to keep the tories out of power. She did not actually vote for Blair, she voted for her own PM. She really is a supporter of Brown and hopes he will take over soon.
I am not a fan of Blair at all, thinking that he was the best advocate Bush had in the run up to the Iraq war, and even wrote an article published on Dissident Voice and Information Clearing House appealing to the British to oust him.
I feel sure she does not support the Iraq War and she supported Kerry not Bush.
She does have different opinions than most of us on the Exit Polls but those are stricly professional since this is her field of study. HOwever, she does also believe that fraud occurred on a massive scale.
In my view, she is a bona fide progressive; she just has professional views on the exit polls that differ from most of us. She has plenty of company in this regard.
Nobody voted for Tony "big liar" Blair excepet those in his district. You are correct. However, a vote for a Labour PM was an assured vote for Blair to continue as PM. I don't see the the difference because there isn't any. There were fictitions Labour MPs, the supposed rebels. This 100 or so, never did a damn thing to oust Blair. They could have, right up until the latest government was formed, e.g., they could have allied with the Liberal Democrats (kennedy) and insisted that Blair step aside for a real progressive as PM. They didn't do that. They did nothing.* There is not one single Labour Member of Parlaiment who cannot be counted as a supporter of Tony Blair. Whenever I see our Labour pals post on DU about how they voted for their MP who is really a "progressive" because the laternatives are less liberal, my response is that Blair is a war criminal and a vote for any Labour MP who voted for Bliar (every single one of them).
I didn't make the forum rules here but I'm here and I like. I've noticed a very welcoming attitude toward election fraud research and activism and I see it getting better all the time (to wit your presence).
Tinore is entirely consistent with the rules set out on the main page and the big hint regarding Tony
*This reminds me of what Orson Wells said about actors who turned in their friends as "Communists" to Joseph McCarthy in order to keep acting: "They didn't betray their friends to save their lives, they did it to save their swiming pools." Well, Labour MPs didn't betray innocent people to save their lives, they did it to save their marginal, material advantages of party contronl of the government.
Tinoire, you are too much...
None of this silent "banning". Instead a cheerful taunt on the way out. "If you come back, I shall taunt you again...".
I like it here very much...
RE: Tony bLiar...
While I am fully aware that Britain has three parties to choose from the Lib Dems are still way behind labour and the tories. Voting Lib Dem wouldn't be the wasted vote that voting for Nader would have been, but to many Britians it was seen as nearly destructive and many felt that the smarter thing was to vote for anti-war labor candidates and reduce Blair's impact.
David you're an incredibly good lawyer
and if you haven't considered going into law, you should but truly, we're not playing games here. Febble made several references to knowing she wasn't in the right place. We're not stupid and we're not going to plat cat and mouse games with people especially those who come in here and deliberately taunt us. We've already regretfully deactivated accounts for Democrats who sprinkled their posts with Third Way talking points. There's an incredible amount of research being done in the "Elections & Voting Rights" forum and it's important to us & our cause. We're not going to allow people to come in here, or in any of our other forums, to distract and derail. There are plenty of other forums where they can do that. As you pointed out she does have plenty of company when it comes to looking at the exit polls differently but we're trying to provide a haven from that other company so that when people have questions about the Election Results, they can come here and not have to wade through that crap.
I think there's a lot of value there for all of us and when we had the incredible honor of being able to host TIA and the rest of you guys, those were the terms we agreed to- a research/discussion haven away from the those who interfered with this work elsewhere.
You get huge points for kindness and tolerance. I'm afraid that after 5 years of watching really good research be impeded, I've lost all of mine because this is truly the time for "You're either with us or against us" when it comes to uncovering the crimes of this administration as well as those who aided them by whitewashing things. At the pace they're going, we may not have another chance to get it right.
I hope you understand where we're coming from.
I am almost certain she told me she voted for Alan Simpson
Here is his voting record and he is definately anti-war:
Hey, I like you so don't take this personally (plus I don't want you
sueing my pseudonym, autorank). Who cares who any Labour voter, all of them to the last person, voted for if that Labour PM turned around and voted for Bliar as PM...and they all did. Sorry, it's the same...as voting for...nah, the thread's not long enough for that. It's like voting to continue the war in Iraq because Blair is Bush's poodle (and it's announced, Blair will leave in a year with plans to join the Carlyle Group board).
RE: David you're an incredibly good lawyer
Well, I am a lawyer -- for 28 years. And I am just about as left as it gets. I posted a note somewhere recently that I have gone past liberal, past progressive and all the way to dissident.
But I also have a streak of tolerance and I am always willing to listen to the views of others who don't share mine, especially when well educated and researched. I have also given Liddle grief before, even to the point where she emailed me and asked me to stop; so we agreed on a truce.
The problem is, she has become the recognized leading expert on exit polls and my view has always been if I could understand her points, we could find ways to challenge or refute them.
The irony here is that today she actually agreed with TIA's analysis on the point I raised. That was a first.
But I really do appreciate the haven for those of us on the far left, and I see your point. For some of us, it is the last refuge.
And I will second Anax's point. I like it here too and do not want to be asked to leave.
I would never even dream of asking you to leave! I really hope you don't think I would over that...
I see your points also and these decisions are very difficult. We really, I really don't like to deactivate anyone's account but then I think of the sorry state we're in, of all the dead, of all those suffering and it makes me realize we have no choice because we've talked and talked with the Third Way supporters for 5 years and only been treated as step-children to be brought out & cajoled into voting for them every few years as the fascist grip on our country keeps getting stronger.
Thank you for your support. It's a great thing to have members like you.
My Banishment From DU and My Paranoia About It
Along with my lawsuit to stop paperless voting (mentioned and linked at the beginning of this thread) I have written several articles, all from a lawyer's point of view, that have argued against the illegalities and policies of this administration. Here are their titles and links from newest to oldest:
The Intelligence Identities Protection Act and Why Karl Rove
and Others Legitimately Face Prosecution Under It (self explanitory)
It's the Corporate State, Stupid (why we are becomming fascist and don't recognize it -- also made it to the A List)
Lying/Perjury vs. Fraud/Deceit (grounds for Bush impeachment)
War Without WMD: An Appeal to the British (why the war was illegal)
If you read my article on fascism, I point out that one of the facilitators of fascism is government favored religion. In Nazi Germany, that religion was an abberent combination of Catholicism / Lutheranism / Epicopalianism.
What I see happening in the US today, facilitationg our rise toward our own brand of fascism, is an aberrent combination of fundamentalist and orthodox Evangelical Protestantism /Catholicism / Judiaism.
A question was posed on DU as to why the mainstream media refuses to take up the question of election fraud. I made the observation that our corporate embedded press (also one of the characteristics of fascism) was largely owned and controlled by members of one of these three groups, and I wondered of all people, how this particular group, being the victims of the last age of fascism, could not see and alarm the rest of us about our own emerging brand of fascism.
The real irony to me was that some of the people I admire and read the most (Uri Avnery and Avraham Berg, for example) are dissident members of this particular religious group, see the things that I see, and absolutely detest what other members of their group are doing in their name. The other irony, is that certain members of this group, which I also admire greatly, (Stephen Friedman for example, my presumption here that he is a member of this group) were also leading the charge on the issue of exit poll descrepancies.
Nevertheless, I was banned for being anti-S, for making a comment at 3am, perhaps not as artfully worded as I would have liked, and without any right to explain myself.
As you know from my earlier posts, I have been reluctant to say anything about my banishment, for fear of being misunderstood and banished again, and I only do so now because you have made me feel comfortable about coming out of the closet. So thank you for your understanding and for listening.