Where PI is now, Where PI is headed & What we are

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Tinoire]

(Those of you who prefer bullet points can skip straight to the end)

First & foremost, this site is opposed to the criminal war in Iraq, the US support of the brutal oppression of the Palestinians and to US militarism in general. The Democratic Party supports that war, in their typical disgusting and dishonest way -- pretending to be critical of how Bush is running it, but voting overwhelmingly to continue funding it. There is only a tiny handful of Democrats in Congress who are seriously against the war. None of the big names -- Biden, Kerry, Clark, Hillary, Obama, etc -- is among them. Politicians with progressive views on this madness are wholly absent from the major media while the status quo Dems are splattered like "shock and awe" across every media outlet available.

Secondly, this site is, in a generalized sense, pro-impeachment. Not just pro-impeachment, but pro-jail for Cheney & his sock puppet & Rummy & Condi for high crimes & treason. And not just pro-incarceration of these criminals, but pro-throwing all those Democrats out on their ass, who say that "impeachment is off the table."

The recent dust-up here about Kucinich had multiple causes, but newcomers may be assured that whatever enthusiasm exists for him here, exists despite, -- not because of -- the fact that he's a Democrat. If he quit the party tomorrow, and denounced it in scathing terms for its cowardice and serial betrayals, his stock would rise here.

In short, we recognize that our country would not have sunk to its present level of crisis & degradation, without the full complicity of the Democrats. We recognize the need for a genuine opposition party -- and that this can't possibly be a party of corporatism, militarism, & nationalism, because those things are the disease, and the disease can't be the cure.

Please take this seriously -- this site is not going to be a forum for chatting about "which Dem do you support?"

If you consider yourself a Democrat, that's a-okay. If you plan to vote for Democrats, any Democrats, that's a-okay too. We aren't telling people 'you must conform' to post here. However, I strongly suggest you read the "About Progressive Independent" page and study the continuum at the bottom of the page.



http://www.progressiveindependent.com/images/LayofLandmieux.jpg


www.progressiveindependent.com is not akin to DU or Kos. Our focus isn't on electoral politics. If someone comes here and tells us that voting for, say, John Kerry in 2008 is the most important thing we could do to stop the war and make things better, we will first chuckle to ourselves and then you will be bombarded by posts debunking the myth of Kerry. Or Clinton, or Clark, or Edwards, or Obama, etc etc etc.

But it’s also not going to be site where people who support Democrats are unwelcome. Anyone to the left of the brown line in the image above is welcome here. We respect your RIGHT to vote for whomever you think is best based on issues important to you and your conscience. What we do not want here is the kind of crap we’ve all seen on other forums that totally disallowed intelligent dialogue of the issues and focused more on candidates, their personalities and their clever repackaging based on however the wind is blowing.

Since PI’s inception we’ve banned 8 posters, not counting obvious trolls. ALL were banned for infracting the spirit of our rules. Make that 6 because one is here with a new name and clean slate and 1 was recently only deactivated for two days while we figured things out. We think that's an excellent record of how tolerant we are and how solid our community and project are.


...But when someone who voted for George Bush in 2004 comes on this site and becomes a hero of sorts, I get very concerned. When right-wing talking points start showing up in posts that go unchallenged because of the brilliant of the argument, I become alarmed because that’s directly working against our primary goals.

What happened here a few days ago was the explosion of an escalation that had been rapidly coming to a head due to careful research that unfortunately coincided with the brouhaha.

Anyone still feeling ill-will towards the PI Admin after having read this, please take those feelings of resentment elsewhere for a while. It’s a personal & political embarrassment to have witnessed, on this site full of so many astute people, how easily the war-mongering neocons, [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm|former socially liberal Democrats], were able to influence and take over the old Republican party. For the last few years several have been returning to the New Democratic “Left”. [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=1738|Marshall Wittman] is one terrific example. It won’t happen at PI no matter how scintillating the conversation because PI isn’t a salon; it’s a project with a very ambitious agenda of making a meaningful difference for peace. We get an average of 1700 unique visitors per day and take that responsibility seriously- for us and for you.

Every single decision made here is motivated by the best interest of the site and our stated goals. One of our unstated goals is to build the desperately needed bridge to help people transition from enabling a very complicit Democratic Party and take the final courageous steps towards a forceful “NO” by supporting only progressive candidates with their vote... PI is that bridge. And it’s going to have to be an intelligent, reasonably forgiving, tolerant and patient bridge.

We're human and know we're flawed, we take your reactions and constructive recommendations seriously because you guys make this site what it is.

Every single poster here is helping build that bridge so please pay attention to nuances, excercise patience in discussions and everytime, anytime you get weirded out that so and so said such and such an incredibly naive thing, then please go to [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/Focus.html|refocus] by watching those videos as you ask yourself if it's more important to knock that person down or to work with them when their heart is in the right place. The pain in those two videos and in the mp3 of an interview with Mohammed Omer define this site.

Beyond healing that pain, all else is commentary.

Thank you.

[hr]


Bullet points for the PowerPoint generation:

The hardest part of building this site was finding a name for it. That took over a month and the decision wasn’t made lightly. So as the founder of this site, here’s where I’m coming from:

- You can be a progressive independent and still be either a member of a political party or unaffiliated but you’re a Leftist who has the courage to think independently, whether you’re a member of a political party or not.

- A progressive independent can support selected politicians from any party (or none) based on issues rather than party loyalty - progressive being the guiding philosophy.

- A progressive independent can not support these wars under any paranoid and manufactured pretexts that Islam is the greatest threat to Western civilization.

- A progressive independent OWNS his/her vote and abstains from supporting anyone who doesn’t represent them.




Won't get fooled again

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song



I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again[/centerl]


It may not happen fast enough, but we are the change we want to see. It's going to take resolve, education and a strong dose of idealism to turn the tide.

You don’t have to choose between grape or cherry here. Have either one or have neither! Mix em up if you want! It’s your vote, your conscience. I hope that true issue-oriented discussion will help members and lurkers make an informed choice on how best to act with the tools at our disposal today and how best to proceed/act for the future.

[hr]
I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me. And yet assure myself and others, that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his burden by all possible means.
Except, by getting off his back.

- Leo Tolstoy -

Mucho thanks to the posters whose words I plagiarized to express what this project is all about. It's with joy I realized how easily I was able to plagiarize your words for this statement because it only cements the knowledge that we're on the same sheet of music.

And many, many thanks to Leftchick, MeganMonkey and RichM who, a few months ago, accepted my Machiavellian overture to be on our [link:www.progressiveindependent.com/AdminTeam.html|Admin Team] as well as to Kliljedahl and TLCandie because they love this site and work so tirelessly and harmoniously together to build that oh so delicate bridge.

And most of all, the most thanks to the posters here for making PI what it is!

Peace

[center]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ

[Kat]

Succinctly done, Tinoire.

I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

Succinctly done, Tinoire.

I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

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I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

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I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

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I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

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I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

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I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

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I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

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I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

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I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

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I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

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I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

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I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

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I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

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I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

Succinctly done, Tinoire.

I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

Succinctly done, Tinoire.

I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

Succinctly done, Tinoire.

I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

Succinctly done, Tinoire.

I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

Succinctly done, Tinoire.

I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

Succinctly done, Tinoire.

I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

Succinctly done, Tinoire.

I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

Succinctly done, Tinoire.

I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

Succinctly done, Tinoire.

I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

Succinctly done, Tinoire.

I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

Succinctly done, Tinoire.

I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

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I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Kat]

Succinctly done, Tinoire.

I'm happy to be on the same page.

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

[Applezotz]

Let me start by saying,that I am a veteran,of a different type of "board wars".As some of you may know,in the past couple of years,there has been a lot of infighting,vindictiveness,deceptive behavior,and malicious bannings,from both the Mike Malloy,and Randi Rhodes boards.I have been present for this,but never started any problems.There was a group of us,who broke off from the RRMB,in October,2005,to start our own board,with our own media content.This lasted about 14 months,before it started to fall apart.

This board was very special for a while.There was a real sense of family,that made it unique.Then we brought in a second group from the Malloy board,who were a bunch of provacateurs,and troublemakers.One person,convinced the mods to set up a mock "Supreme Court",and conduct "trials" of members in absentia.This was the last straw,for a number of us,who quit in protest.I was a heavy contributor to the board.My post count was over 3000.

I then stuck around Daily Kos for a while,in spite of the censorship they placed on 9/11.This was right before the midterms.There was a lot of talk about not letting these right wing bastards steal the elections,and how we need to hold them accountable for their crimes.Then the democrats won.I was still checking in at the other board,from time to time,and it,too was turning into a Democratic love fest,but not as bad as at Kos.For some reason,they all became Pelosians, even the ones that had been on her case,for being an AIPAC tool.Both places had the same reaction to her treasonous "off the table" statement,to the new "Swift Boating",of Murtha,by his own party,and to the selection of Reyes.Outrage, followed by acceptance,and forgiveness.

And then the Obama lovefest began at Kos.Diary after diary speculating over his every move,like a bunch of fantasy football fans.It was one of the wierdset, creepiest things I have ever seen.I mean you talk about Kool-aid drinkers!The last straw,was when I read a diary calling Kucinch "unelectable",and a "wingnut",which met with very little disagreement.

I can't recall how I found this place.I think I was reading something at a link from whatreallyhappened.com,that was in turn,linked here.

As I say,I am an Agorist.Agorism,is part of the left-wing fringe of Libertarianism.We are arguably the most anticorporate of all the many flavors of Libertarianism out there.We share much in common with Greens.As an explanation,I would direct you to one of my favorite blogs : http://praxeology.net/blog/
Two good starting points here are: http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/25/proletarian-blues/ and
http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

Like many,here I have been involved in the anti-Iraq War movement,and have been shocked,and saddened at how it has fallen apart with gaining the momentum even 9/11 truth has.

I was very impressed,when going back through the posts,to find that Wayne Masden had been by here.This place looks wonderful.The question is do you want it to have a higher profile someday?

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[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

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It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

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:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

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It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

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:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[DemonFighterLives]

I hope it isn't mission impossible.

For some reason, I am always left on the edge of my seat waiting for the punchline.

So we are going to take on trying to change everything, which could take decades. Sure it needs to be done but as an American, I demand instant gratification. Who will be our knight in shining armor? How will the neocons and crime family be bottled up? I have been waiting 43 years for some answers on who took out Kennedy and some well deserved punishment. Now it is 5 years since the 911 debacle and I feel it will be another one of those 50 or 100 year corrections. Our votes are now perhaps the most unsafe that they have ever been. Who will fix that?

Let's do this movement, I just hope things happen quicker. This last election moved a lot of A-holes out and many more will be gone next cycle, but until the media changes, the sheeple will never have the knowledge to figure out what is happening to them.

It would be nice to say: Player 1- you handle the elections
Player 2- you handle the corruption
Player 3- you end the war
Player 4- you educate the masses

:agree: :balloons:

:bugle: I'll play the bugle!

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.

[Tinoire]

And I know we have what it takes judging by the caliber of people who have very enthusiastically come here and the names that only we Admins can see in the database.

A big selling point for us is that none of the Admins have any party loyalties and are, with all modesty, a pretty astute & ideal driven group of people, despite our political cynicism.

This place was started for nothing other than discouragement and disgust at what we were seeing on other forums. We took all the lessons learned and applied them here.

Knowing the sincerity and acuity of all involved in getting this project off the ground, I KNOW it's going to have a huge profile one day.


We're on excellent terms with whatreallyhappened.com and many other independent sites working hard to make a difference.

The ambitious motivation behind this project is to bring us all together and give people a place to talk about the information they learn from those others without censorship of hmmmm politically sensitive topics/stories.

Wayne Madsen has been here, (actually see our homepage, he was our first sponsor), Joe Bageant, Stan Goff, David Swanson, COA News, CLG News, PHTT, Liberty News TV, and others I either forget and/or can't reveal. And if you do a google search of who links to us, it's very encouraging. Our links page gives a clearer idea because the people linking to us are in red. There are more but I haven't had the time to follow-up on some of the requests (got distracted) and don't actively look to see who's linked to us unless they contact us or we see a lot of traffic coming from them.

So we know we have the magic formula which is focusing on a clear goal and bringing people together by ideology on a forum run by total independents with no loyalties other than to their conscience.

The first year was rough because from an Admin aspect, I was basically alone and a lot of things that needed to get done didn't for lack of time and resources. But enough people believed and kept coming. Gifts literally fell into my lap like 2 programmers who made a lot of changes to this confusing software, moderators from all walks of life and the political spectrum, financial donations from some people who weren't even registered and now, finally, after a little over a year, there are 2 more Admins and a dedicated programmer on board.

This will allow us to improve our *cough* marketting (hey if anyone has $600 bucks lying around getting moldy- we have a real winner in the works).


The other thing we have going for the forum administration is an unswerving loyalty to our principles. I turned down several collaborative efforts with newspapers and other organs I didn't feel were quite in line with the politics or tone we have here so we won't whore out the forum for money or publicity to the wrong crowd. The 2 other Admins and RichM are like that too.

So yes. We not only want it to, we're determined to get it. This is an extremely ambitious project. I'm even afraid to tell people how ambitious it really is ;)

Btw, you don't even need to explain to anyone here what party you're with because we're really sick of watching people be distracted by categories and wedge issues. The only thing we care about is that your goals be aligned with ours. HOWEVER if you have any corrections about that little line I drew one night, let me know because I'm not an expert on categories and recall getting an e-mail from a Libertarian that there was something incorrect there.