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Organic Beekeepers Reporting Zero Losses

With all the frightening news over bee losses throughout the world, it appears that one tiny minor piece of information was overlooked: the losses are occurring in colonies besieged with chemicals and artificial additives. Organic bees are fairing quite nicely, thank you. From the article,

“‘I’m on an organic beekeeping list of about 1,000 people, mostly Americans, and no one in the organic beekeeping world, including commercial beekeepers, is reporting colony collapse on this list,’ said Sharon Labchuck. ‘The problem with the big commercial guys is that they put pesticides in their hives to fumigate for varroa mites, and they feed antibiotics to the bees. They also haul the hives by truck all over the place to make more money with pollination services, which stresses the colonies.’”

article here (http://groovygreen.com/groove/?p=1388)

There is no such thing as "organic bees." This is nothing but misleading bullshit.


Organic Vegetables marked "Product of China." Woodstock Farms!

I've started purchasing frozen organic vegetables but was shocked to pick up a package of Woodstock Farms Organic frozen brocolli. The package shows a homey Farm Logo and says "Caring about the Land." There were three different "organic certified seals," on the front. I looked on the back to see where Woodstock farms was and it said Connecticut. Down in the right hand corner to my shock was in black letters..."Product of China."

Since when did we start importing organic brocolli from China? Who certified it with three labels "organic?" How does it pay to ship brocolli all the way from China and truck it across the US to a grocery store here in NC? Why should I believe this product is "organic" given the melamine and banned antibiotics in wheat and catfish. Why are we importing catfish from China when we have our own farms who grow organic? How many other vegetables are being imported from China and sold fresh?

What is going on?

thread here (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x873774)


But, but, but it's orgaaaaaaaanic!!!

Or as one poster responded to me at PI a while back "ORGANIC IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO!!!! PERIOD!!!!! END OF STORY!!!!! AND I HAVE THE FACTS TO BACK THAT UP!!!!!!

I love this comment a little farther down the thread -


More to the point.

Where is our own organic food going?

Hello? There isn't any. It is all smoke and mirrors.


Organic farmer sues over neighbor's pesticides

i hope jacobs farms wins big. note that the article says the pesticides were applied correctly but they still ended up where they weren't supposed to be. pretty much proves the point that there really isn't a way to apply poison to food or soil *correctly.*
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Organic farmer sues over neighbor's pesticides
By Genevieve Bookwalter
Sentinel staff writer

NORTH COAST — In a case that could reverberate through the county, a judge has ordered a farming service company to temporarily stop spraying pesticides that an organic farmer says are moving with the fog onto his field and destroying his crop.

Organic Jacobs Farms is suing Western Farm Services, a Fresno company that provides and applies pesticides for conventional farmers. The suit, filed by Larry Jacobs, seeks to stop the spraying of pesticides that could travel to his field and an unspecified amount of money to cover the crops he says he lost. The farmer who owns the conventional field is not named in the suit.

The pesticides apparently were applied correctly and did not blow onto the organic field, which would be illegal. Instead, all involved think they were picked up by fog, which can turn pesticides into liquid and carry them off days after they were sprayed.

If the courts rule in favor of the organic farmer and orders those spraying pesticides on nearby farms to stop all together, it could threaten the livelihood of conventional farmers all over the county who deal with fog and organic neighbors, said attorney Dale M. Dorfmeier, who represents Western Farm Services.

the thread (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x884320)


Such utter bullshit. "Threaten the livelihood of farmers all over the country..." - well at least the true agenda is being revealed.

Notice that nothing illegal was done. Also, there are no damages mentioned. Who cares? Form the lynch mob!! Let's go after every farmer in the country!!

More comments from the thread -


Perhaps this is just the beginning.

I hope so. When will folx wakeup to the dangers of pesticides? We live on a poisoned earth. We need to remove ALL of our toxins...including GW and co.!


Good. Time to make the POISONERS think twice about what they are doing.

And run them out of town on a rail if they don't stop.

Poisoners? Stop? Stop what? Growing food? Start a garden and become an activist? Import "organic" ha ha ha from Mexico and China? I vote we cut this person off from food. Or give them only food from China.

From the article -


To market their produce as organic, farmers must adhere to strict growing regulations and use no pesticides or herbicides. The field where the herbs grow is surrounded by conventional rows of brussels sprouts. The pesticides found on Jacobs' herbs is one regularly used on the neighboring crops to fight cabbage maggots and other annoyances.

article here (http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2007/May/10/local/stories/04local.htm)


Bald faced lie. There are no regulations that anyone needs to worry about in organic, and typical organic farms use far more pesticides than "conventional' - the only difference being they are using "natural" poisons - whatever that means.

Beyond that, there is no "alternative" organic farming sector that amounts to anything, as continually impied by organic spokespersons. It is all an illusion.

Are we really to imagine that 99.99999% of family farmers are "poisoners?" who should be run out of business?

[chlamor]

[quote]Organic Beekeepers Reporting Zero Losses

With all the frightening news over bee losses throughout the world, it appears that one tiny minor piece of information was overlooked: the losses are occurring in colonies besieged with chemicals and artificial additives. Organic bees are fairing quite nicely, thank you. From the article,

“‘I’m on an organic beekeeping list of about 1,000 people, mostly Americans, and no one in the organic beekeeping world, including commercial beekeepers, is reporting colony collapse on this list,’ said Sharon Labchuck. ‘The problem with the big commercial guys is that they put pesticides in their hives to fumigate for varroa mites, and they feed antibiotics to the bees. They also haul the hives by truck all over the place to make more money with pollination services, which stresses the colonies.’”

article here (http://groovygreen.com/groove/?p=1388)

There is no such thing as "organic bees." This is nothing but misleading bullshit.


Organic Vegetables marked "Product of China." Woodstock Farms!

I've started purchasing frozen organic vegetables but was shocked to pick up a package of Woodstock Farms Organic frozen brocolli. The package shows a homey Farm Logo and says "Caring about the Land." There were three different "organic certified seals," on the front. I looked on the back to see where Woodstock farms was and it said Connecticut. Down in the right hand corner to my shock was in black letters..."Product of China."

Since when did we start importing organic brocolli from China? Who certified it with three labels "organic?" How does it pay to ship brocolli all the way from China and truck it across the US to a grocery store here in NC? Why should I believe this product is "organic" given the melamine and banned antibiotics in wheat and catfish. Why are we importing catfish from China when we have our own farms who grow organic? How many other vegetables are being imported from China and sold fresh?

What is going on?

thread here (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x873774)


But, but, but it's orgaaaaaaaanic!!!

Or as one poster responded to me at PI a while back "ORGANIC IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO!!!! PERIOD!!!!! END OF STORY!!!!! AND I HAVE THE FACTS TO BACK THAT UP!!!!!!

I love this comment a little farther down the thread -


More to the point.

Where is our own organic food going?

Hello? There isn't any. It is all smoke and mirrors.


Organic farmer sues over neighbor's pesticides

i hope jacobs farms wins big. note that the article says the pesticides were applied correctly but they still ended up where they weren't supposed to be. pretty much proves the point that there really isn't a way to apply poison to food or soil *correctly.*
--###--

Organic farmer sues over neighbor's pesticides
By Genevieve Bookwalter
Sentinel staff writer

NORTH COAST — In a case that could reverberate through the county, a judge has ordered a farming service company to temporarily stop spraying pesticides that an organic farmer says are moving with the fog onto his field and destroying his crop.

Organic Jacobs Farms is suing Western Farm Services, a Fresno company that provides and applies pesticides for conventional farmers. The suit, filed by Larry Jacobs, seeks to stop the spraying of pesticides that could travel to his field and an unspecified amount of money to cover the crops he says he lost. The farmer who owns the conventional field is not named in the suit.

The pesticides apparently were applied correctly and did not blow onto the organic field, which would be illegal. Instead, all involved think they were picked up by fog, which can turn pesticides into liquid and carry them off days after they were sprayed.

If the courts rule in favor of the organic farmer and orders those spraying pesticides on nearby farms to stop all together, it could threaten the livelihood of conventional farmers all over the county who deal with fog and organic neighbors, said attorney Dale M. Dorfmeier, who represents Western Farm Services.

the thread (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x884320)


Such utter bullshit. "Threaten the livelihood of farmers all over the country..." - well at least the true agenda is being revealed.

Notice that nothing illegal was done. Also, there are no damages mentioned. Who cares? Form the lynch mob!! Let's go after every farmer in the country!!

More comments from the thread -


Perhaps this is just the beginning.

I hope so. When will folx wakeup to the dangers of pesticides? We live on a poisoned earth. We need to remove ALL of our toxins...including GW and co.!


Good. Time to make the POISONERS think twice about what they are doing.

And run them out of town on a rail if they don't stop.

Poisoners? Stop? Stop what? Growing food? Start a garden and become an activist? Import "organic" ha ha ha from Mexico and China? I vote we cut this person off from food. Or give them only food from China.

From the article -


To market their produce as organic, farmers must adhere to strict growing regulations and use no pesticides or herbicides. The field where the herbs grow is surrounded by conventional rows of brussels sprouts. The pesticides found on Jacobs' herbs is one regularly used on the neighboring crops to fight cabbage maggots and other annoyances.

article here (http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2007/May/10/local/stories/04local.htm)


Bald faced lie. There are no regulations that anyone needs to worry about in organic, and typical organic farms use far more pesticides than "conventional' - the only difference being they are using "natural" poisons - whatever that means.

Beyond that, there is no "alternative" organic farming sector that amounts to anything, as continually impied by organic spokespersons. It is all an illusion.

Are we really to imagine that 99.99999% of family farmers are "poisoners?" who should be run out of business?[/quote:zolhpusm]

As does industrial agriculture. And much, in fact most, of what is mis-labeled "organic" is, in all meaningful ways, quite in line with the industrial modes of production. Pesticides suck too.

In fact what is omitted in the entirety of these discussions is the notion of food systems as a whole and energy relations.

Yea, the organic movement has become quite the tidy white caricature of itself.

[Two Americas]

In fact what is omitted in the entirety of these discussions is the notion of food systems as a whole and energy relations.

Precisely. We see the danger of the organic movement in that one post. (And I so hate being in the position of arguing against organic - hopefully the movement has run its course.) This is not to be opposed to organic, rather it is to say that the promise of organic and the reality are diametrically opposed, and inevitably will always be in opposition.

If that person feels better buying frozen vegetables that are labeled "organic" that is their business and their choice. But obviously, that organic label did absolutely nothing to educate that person, to put that person closer to their food source, to support progressive and sustainable farming, to fight environmental destruction, to save energy, or even to guarantee a safer product on her table.

In fact, I would argue that organic worked directly against all of those goals. Here she thinks she is doing the right thing and making the right choices, thinks that making the right personal consumer choices is politically progressive, evangelizes for the cause for years, and yet could not know the first thing about food production or agriculture through all of that. Suddenly she looks at the package - with its colorful graphics depicting down home old-fashioned farm imagery, with soothing double talk sales copy about the “good old days” and the “natural world” and how much the manufacturer "cares" and is "committed to the environment" and then notices "product of China" and is surprised. (By the way, the Republicans gutted the country of origin labeling regulations, so that must have been an oversight on the part of the Chinese company to put that on the package. I did a survey of upscale markets 2 years ago, and found hundreds of "organic" brands with no COO label, which upon investigation were coming from corporate factory farms overseas. No regulation, no inspection, no nothing. A nice label is all you pay the extra money for.

The point is, that it was inevitable that organic would be corrupted. Everything gets corrupted by corporate capitalism. Speaking of which, I came across an interview with Gore where he was seriously talking about “green” investing. Passionately talking about it. Yep, it is the way to go. Can't question capitalism – we need to make it “green.” And there is “green” in “green” too -$$$$$$

There are three forces in agriculture, not two, so the public is not served by a binary polarized and politicized framework for discussion.

1. There are family farmers around the world, their cooperative communities and their allies, which includes both you an I in my view. Some are more progressive than others, a very few are organic, most are mostly organic, and most organic people are seeing and adopting things from the "conventional" farmers that are safer than what organic calls for. ALL are under seige from the second two forcess.

2. There are upscale political activists who don't have a clue, some of whom are gardening;

3. And there is rapacious global corporate capitalism.

Those of us in the first group - who have a sincere interest in and informed opinions about food systems and agriculture are whip-sawed and divided between the two parasitic groups - those using agriculture to promote another agenda, be it profits or political power or both. But we have more in common with each other than we do with either of the two other groups.

Organic bees. Hmmm. I guess that means my dog is "organic" too. Until she gets sick. Maybe I should turn her loose to fend for herself and let her "go natural" and become totally "organic?" Or do I have to feed her "organic" dog food from China for her to be organic?

How come the same people who are devoted to their dog or cat and are upset about tainted pet food from China - who are intensely managing their pet - "interfering with its natural development" - transporting it around, taking it on vacation, running it to the vet for modern medical treatments, are all in an uproar about bees being managed, treated for disease, transported around, and "interfered" with? Honeybees contribute to feeding people. What does their dog or cat contribute to society? Why should bees be free from human interference, but their dogs and cats not?

We live in a society that has gone mad. All over the media are scare stories about the loss of bees, yet this company and others like it are thriving and prospering:


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Bees and other insects are the "hazard" people are worried about in the suburbs, not pesticides. Suburbia is pesticide central. That is the toxic environment, not family farms. Why can't we abolish suburbs instead of farms? Or move the suburbs to China?

[blindpig]

Needed some goo to put on my waffles and decided to splurge on maple. They had organic maple syrup, didn't make no sense to me. The labels on it and the non-organic variety indicated no difference. Ended up buying the organic, it was cheaper, on clearence!